Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:36:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Edwin D. Vinas" <edwin_vinas@yahoo.com> To: Maksim Yevmenkin <maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com>, "Harper, Randi (ISS Atlanta)" <rharper@iss.net> Cc: sektie@freebsdgirl.com Subject: Re: Bluetooth questions Message-ID: <20040827013607.36975.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <bb4a86c7040824105713429d37@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi, I have a new FreeBSD-5.2.1 installed right now in my PC. I want to know if it has Obex file transfer support? Also, how do i install Obex and make it work? Is there ant stable FreeBSD version which performs well with Bluetooth? Thanks, edwin --- Maksim Yevmenkin <maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com> wrote: > Randi, > > > I wasn't entirely certain who I should ask about > this but being as how you're listed in the > > ng_bt3c man page, I figured you'd be the most > qualified to help me out, if you're willing. :) > > you've got the right person :) > > > To the best of my knowledge, there are no tools > for FreeBSD that will manage any type of > > SyncML or mRouter connection to a Bluetooth > enabled mobile phone. > > no, there are not. but i bet you do not need (and > want) them :) all > that mrouter stuff is a piece of garbage (imo). > there are workarounds, > for example > > http://www.bwestermann.privat.t-online.de/3650linux_en.html > (linux) > > and in freebsd > > <quote from the rfcomm_pppd(8)> > > -S In the server mode register the Serial > Port (SP) service in addi- > tion to the LAN Access Using PPP (LAN) > service. It appears that > some cell phones are using so called > ``callback mechanism''. In > this scenario the user is trying to > connect his cell phone to the > Internet, and, user's host computer is > acting as the gateway > server. It seems that it is not > possible to tell the phone to > just connect and start using the LAN > service. Instead the user's > host computer must ``jump start'' the > phone by connecting to the > phone's SP service. What happens next > is the phone kills the > existing connection and opens another > connection back to the > user's host computer. The phone really > wants to use LAN service, > but for whatever reason it looks for > the SP service on the user's > host computer. This brain damaged > behavior was reported for > Nokia 6600 and Sony/Ericsson P900. > > </quote> > > > This wasn't a big deal to me as I generally used > iSync with my PowerBook to manage > > synchronization with my Nokia 3650, but after > switching to a Motorola V600, things got a lot > > more complicated. As a result, I think I've > learned a lot more about mobile phone providers > > non-conforming implementations of Bluetooth than I > ever wanted to know. The Nokia 3650 > > uses Symbian OS (a tragedy of Java with an API > that makes me shudder), which to my > > understanding uses mRouter - some odd TCP/IP > connection that I think exists over PPP. > > it is exactly tcp/ip connection over ppp. there is > nothing odd about > it. these days pretty much anyone who has a modem > and wants to connect > to the internet use ppp. even with dsl you still > might need to run ppp > over ethernet. > > whats odd about these phones (i though it was only > symbian phones) is > the brain damaged behavior. basically they use > bluetooth LAN access > profile in bizarre way. > > > From what I've been told thus far, Motorola uses > an odd Bluetooth implementation with > > SyncML, and iSync doesn't support it. iSync 1.5, > which was just released last week, finally > > included support for SyncML, but it requires a USB > cable - pain in the butt. The Apple message > > boards surprisingly turned out to be ! a wealth > of information. > > i can not speak about syncml. i've never got this > specimen into my lab > for dissection. from what i can see there is a way > to run syncml over > http or wsp. so you could try to establish tcp/ip > connection between > the host and the phone and run syncml over http or > wsp (if the phone > supports it). > > > The point of that rant was that I'm fed up to the > point of putting all of my other projects to the > > side so I can write a mRouter/SyncML tool for > FreeBSD that Doesn't Suck (tm). Most of my > > development work in the past has had more to do > with GTK and assorted network management > > tools, so this is an entirely new ballgame for me. > > that is great, but i'll say this - do not waste your > time with > mrouter. syncml sounds more interesting. btw, you > should be able to > use OBEX. take a look at the comms/obexapp port. it > does not support > intelligent sync, but it does allow you to get all > the information. > the man page also describes how one could implement > intelligent sync. > > > I'm not necessarily asking you to hold my hand in > this, but any help you could give would be > > appreciated. Mainly I'm just looking for > recommended documentation on Bluetooth, and any > > FreeBSD-specific knowledge I would have to know > for this task. Providing I can get adequate > > documentation to get started, I'd be willing to > pay the development membership fees (which > > hopefully won't be necessary) to get the specs I'd > need from different mobile phone > > manufacturers. > > feel free to ask me any time :) bluetooth > programming (in freebsd) is > not that different form network programming (i.e. > sockets etc.). i've > tried to document as much as i could. every > bluetooth tools in freebsd > has a man page. > > - check out freebsd handbook > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-bluetooth.html > > - try 'man -k bluetooth'. > > - finally look at the source code :) > > one word of advise - please use freebsd 5.3 > (RELENG_5). this would > save you some bluetooth related pain :) > > thanks, > max > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-bluetooth@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-bluetooth > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-bluetooth-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ===== -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~--------- -Edwin D. 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