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X-Sonic-MF: Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic317.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 May 2021 08:55:31 +0000 Received: by kubenode502.mail-prod1.omega.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID fedf92a6d8b3273e3cce39120bf0ed4d; Tue, 18 May 2021 08:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Bug reports List-Archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/bugs List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.80.0.2.43\)) Subject: Re: "Python 37/38 conflict, was Re: Trubles compiling lxqt on RPi4" [really: list interface replacement generates bad textual content] In-Reply-To: <20210518083924.dt3qdx2rranxff2t@aniel.nours.eu> Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 01:55:26 -0700 Cc: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1EB95F1D-CBB0-4D2B-8489-32CC02E52639@yahoo.com> References: <5deb443a-316f-46b8-ada2-7f66893b5ffa@FreeBSD.org> <8AFC5AD7-8F1F-4980-BB26-62038380946E@yahoo.com> <03DFF722-0473-4306-B1C4-123DBF15B955@yahoo.com> <9B7D4B8B-DD04-4119-8B80-548466D4F063@yahoo.com> <64429369-4010-4c99-888b-3460d9d9141e@FreeBSD.org> <3AF15926-17A0-4577-A673-AC35BE64BA7B@yahoo.com> <212C2CA4-4280-448F-A639-1B7B3E6DE356@yahoo.com> <2365D754-7D28-46C0-B169-9BD5B729DD76@yahoo.com> <20210518083924.dt3qdx2rranxff2t@aniel.nours.eu> To: Baptiste Daroussin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Fkqb90JHJz4WRT X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Reply-To: marklmi@yahoo.com From: Mark Millard via freebsd-bugs X-Original-From: Mark Millard On 2021-May-18, at 01:39, Baptiste Daroussin = wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 12:08:36AM -0700, Mark Millard wrote: >> On 2021-May-18, at 00:03, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 2021-May-17, at 23:55, Mark Millard wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On 2021-May-17, at 23:37, Baptiste Daroussin = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> 18 mai 2021 06:50:03 Mark Millard : >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 2021-May-15, at 22:22, Baptiste Daroussin = wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 16 mai 2021 05:29:07 Mark Millard : >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> In exploring I've seen various web-page presentation of >>>>>>>> freebsd-bugs messages that seem to be messed up. An >>>>>>>> example is: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> . . . >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Nice catch, I will fix it >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The extra text disappeared when I later looked at the >>>>>> pages via the URLs. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> But I've run into another oddity. I did a google >>>>>> search for: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> "Comparing the OverDrive 1000 (A57) vs. MACCHIATObin" >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> and then used the 1st link shown, the one from the text: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> QUOTE >>>>>> https://lists.freebsd.org =E2=80=BA freebsd-arm =E2=80=BA = 2019-December >>>>>> Comparing the OverDrive 1000 (A57) vs. MACCHIATObin ... >>>>>> Dec 2, 2019 =E2=80=94 Comparing the OverDrive 1000 (A57) vs. = MACCHIATObin Double Shot (A72) for buildworld and via a CPU/cache/RAM = tradeoff-exploring ... >>>>>> END QUOTE >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> which has the link (it is for one of my old messages): >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> = https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D= &ved=3D2ahUKEwiPhp3OtdLwAhVH6Z4KHaXQC68QFjAAegQIAxAD&url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fl= ists.freebsd.org%2Fpipermail%2Ffreebsd-arm%2F2019-December%2F020854.html&u= sg=3DAOvVaw2VHrNUGc-Vce4CjAmTufxq >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Or, extracting/converting the relevant part of that text: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> = https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arm/2019-December/020854.html >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This now takes me to the wrong message on the list, one titled: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Re: 64 bit ARM systems with more than four cores Ed Maste >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Turns out that the my old message now shows up as 2 later >>>>>> by number (020854 -> 020856): >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> = https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arm/2019-December/020856.html >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> gets to the message with the correct title. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> It appears that the numbering has not been preserved >>>>>> in the conversion. This can make google search results >>>>>> that point into the (older) freebsd lists >>>>>> problematical. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D >>>>>> Mark Millard >>>>>> marklmi at yahoo.com >>>>>> ( dsl-only.net went >>>>>> away in early 2018-Mar) >>>>>=20 >>>>> 99.9% of the tume the numbering is preserved, sometimes it is not = given the weirdness of the things that happened in the past. i will dig = into this specific case to see what I can do. But don t expect much = here. >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> FYI: >>>>=20 >>>> In my "binary search inspired" looking around everything >>>> I looked at that was old but more recent than 2014-Dec-23 >>>> had the offset of 2. Everything older than 2014-Dec-10 >>>> worked. Those dates are as close together as I got. >>>>=20 >>>> (Finding things that have useful google search matches in >>>> a time frame is messy so the results are limited. It >>>> would be nice to find a better way to looking up old >>>> references.) >>>>=20 >>>> Example: >>>>=20 >>>> "lsof on FreeBSD/arm" goggle search click through to page >>>>=20 >>>> vs.: >>>>=20 >>>> Tuesday, 23 December 2014 >>>> . . .=20 >>>> =E2=80=A2 Re: lsof on FreeBSD/arm Larry Rosenman=20 >>>> =E2=80=A2 [Differential] [Commented On] D1317: Build gperf as a = dependency before gcc for arm releases emaste (Ed Maste)=20 >>>> =E2=80=A2 [Differential] [Updated, 8 lines] D1317: Build gperf = as a dependency before gcc for arm releases emaste (Ed Maste)=20 >>>>=20 >>>> It gets on to the message for last line (still off by two for the >>>> number, like what I reported already): >>>>=20 >>>> By contrast: >>>>=20 >>>> "watchdogd not working anymore (since r273154+)" google search = click through >>>>=20 >>>> vs.: >>>>=20 >>>> Wednesday, 10 December 2014 >>>> . . . >>>> =E2=80=A2 Re: RPi - watchdogd not working anymore (since = r273154+) Andreas Schwarz=20 >>>>=20 >>>> worked. >>>=20 >>> A different possible oddity that I just noticed is that >>> the old system used UTC dates/times, such as: >>>=20 >>> Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com=20 >>> Sat May 1 19:50:18 UTC 2021 >>>=20 >>> (from freebsd-git). >>>=20 >>> But the new one uses various time zones (the >>> senders time zone?), such as: >>>=20 >>> From: Mark Millard via freebsd-arm =20 >>> Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 14:43:45 -0700 >>>=20 >>> (from freebsd-arm). >>>=20 >>=20 >> Well . . . >>=20 >> freebsd-arm's messages have a UTC time after the message, such as: >>=20 >> Received on Sat May 15 2021 - 21:43:45 UTC >>=20 >> so both time zones are available. It might be deliberate. >=20 > After analysis, freebsd-bugs mailing list archives have been edited = manually > multiple times in the last 18 years, making it impossible to = regenerates in a > reliable manner archive with compatible URL. >=20 > This happenned too often to be able to be easily fixed. Good to know. Thanks for checking. Just for the record: I've also discovered that the: "watchdogd not working anymore (since r273154+)" is not a match and still has the difference of 2: Wednesday, 10 December 2014 . . . =E2=80=A2 Re: RPi - watchdogd not working anymore (since = r273154+) Ian Lepore=20 =E2=80=A2 Re: latest VM images fail to compile for ARM Ed Maste=20= =E2=80=A2 Re: RPi - watchdogd not working anymore (since = r273154+) Andreas Schwarz=20 The text on the google webpage before clicking on the link matches material from the Ian L. message (such as "15:23:07 UTC") but goes to the Andreas S. message when clicked. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar)