From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 29 16:00:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE6D37B401 for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 16:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from remt29.cluster1.charter.net (remt29.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388F043F3F for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 16:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glennpj@charter.net) Received: from [24.158.214.251] (HELO gforce.johnson.home) by remt29.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 30802952; Thu, 29 May 2003 19:00:21 -0400 Received: from gforce.johnson.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gforce.johnson.home (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4TN0K2C029944; Thu, 29 May 2003 18:00:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from glenn@gforce.johnson.home) Received: (from glenn@localhost) by gforce.johnson.home (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4TN0KIg029943; Thu, 29 May 2003 18:00:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:00:20 -0500 From: Glenn Johnson To: Julian Elischer Message-ID: <20030529230020.GA24085@gforce.johnson.home> Mail-Followup-To: Julian Elischer , Mike Makonnen , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Dan Nelson References: <20030529223915.GA1025@gforce.johnson.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: Dan Nelson Subject: Re: Libthr stable enough for testing X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:00:24 -0000 On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 03:54:22PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > On Thu, 29 May 2003, Glenn Johnson wrote: > > > On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 02:20:02AM -0400, Mike Makonnen wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 29 May 2003 00:35:32 -0500 Dan Nelson > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The real problem is in the kernel, though. A userland non-root > > > > process should not be able to hard lock the system. One of the > > > > threads people will probably have to get an SMP machine to be > > > > able to debug it. > > > > > > > > > Upon first reading it I had assumed he meant gnome locked up. Can > > > you confirm this Glenn? Is the machine itself locked solid (no > > > ping, no ssh, not vtys, etc)? However, even if that is the case a > > > bug in the kernel does not preclude a bug in libthr. > > > > The machine locks up solid. I can not do anything with it except > > hit the reset button. I mentioned gnome because gnome will trigger > > the lock up. I would imagine I would see the same thing with kde > > however. > > what about kernel debugger? I do not have the debugger enabled on the SMP box. I can set that up but probably not until next week. Will the debugger work if the machine locks up? -- Glenn Johnson glennpj@charter.net