From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 27 22:39:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2AF14D2B; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24118; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:39:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA15921; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:39:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Nate Williams Cc: Motoyuki Konno , NAKAGAWA Yoshihisa , Philippe CASIDY , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which LAN PCCARD for FreeBSD (no PAO!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:30:09 PDT." <199903280430.VAA06189@mt.sri.com> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:39:08 +0200 Message-ID: <15919.922603148@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199903280430.VAA06189@mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams writes: >> > > > I would like to know which card works under FreeBSD 3.1R and FreeBSD >> > > > 2.2.8R WITHOUT PAO! >> > > >> > > Why? "plain FreeBSD"'s APM and PC-Card support is limitted and >> > > buggy. You should be use PAO. >> > >> > No no no. You got it all wrong. PAO support is buggy, FreeBSD APM is >> > good, and PCCARD support is limited. :) :) :) >> >> Why do you think "PAO support is buggy"? Do you read the recent >> PAO patch? If you found bugs in PAO, please list up them. >> >> I can not understand why you dislike PAO so much. > >Because the number of options/changes that it makes to the stock FreeBSD >has often times in the past been wrong. I can say that because many >times in the past I found the real bugs in the FreeBSD code and fixed >them, while PAO provides one, two, or three different 'workarounds' for >the problem rather than trying to find the problem. I can only support Nate here. PAO is a great prototype. now we want to heed the excellent advice Frederick P. Brooks gives in his book "The Mythical Man-Month" (ISBN 0-201-83595-9) (p.116 ff): Plan to build a prototype and plan to throw it away, you will anyhow. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message