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Fri, 12 Jun 2020 12:12:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <6a4f6a15-ec43-03f6-1a41-a109e445f026@anatoli.ws> <00225a04-237d-9051-9aea-12c192106a20@anatoli.ws> <373EDB20-C750-42E2-A41B-EA61F6E49807@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611075658.1dd841a9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611082443.0000187a@seibercom.net> <2e6c6baf-9d87-2a02-00c3-578c6630f97f@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200611172537.2f7cdc07@archlinux> <20200612081401.f5a5c95b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4fff9eab-fa74-afe9-b046-9b0bcdb072ce@panix.com> In-Reply-To: <4fff9eab-fa74-afe9-b046-9b0bcdb072ce@panix.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:12:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd To: Kurt Hackenberg Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49k9N103P2z3fQ7 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:12:33 -0000 On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 2:58 PM Kurt Hackenberg wrote: > On 2020-06-12 02:14, Polytropon wrote: > > >> But it's often done by redefining the ASCII characters carriage return > >> and line feed. Originally they meant, respectively, move the print head > >> to the left margin, and roll the paper up a line. > > > > Erm... no. The carriage return returns the _carriage_ to the > > first position (here: to the right), that's why it is called > > carriage return and not print head return. :-) > > > > On older electrical typewriters, you will see... > Electric typewriters didn't use ASCII. > But they did have carriage return and line feeds... the two are different the best way to understand that is on manual typewriters the "return bar" (the thing with a big handle on it) [ https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61Yw4qOagWL._AC_UL160_.jpg ] would first do a carriage return and if you pushed it hard enough (hard not to) it would also do a line feed. You could also do a line feed by just turning the nob also. So it has nothing to do with character encoding! -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org