From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG  Mon Sep 10 04:01:55 2012
Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG>
Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34])
	by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56A81065670
	for <arch@freebsd.org>; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:01:55 +0000 (UTC)
	(envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com)
Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com
	[209.85.223.182])
	by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558BB8FC18
	for <arch@freebsd.org>; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:01:55 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by iebc12 with SMTP id c12so2911485ieb.13
	for <arch@freebsd.org>; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
	d=google.com; s=20120113;
	h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc
	:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer
	:x-gm-message-state;
	bh=Sj1ybOMt76dqecnvJk+3goG0b2vWKbE0gGoa0VJfBWc=;
	b=idebPG8MOXM5iIF3606VBB0fwvFA5mxXgo59ouq+CNZCMD77M+W4Q6+UzSq2uO/jZa
	Mq/5GE2JOBNoyHbiwD1/P0S43ezhuLOXRcBQrlC8tuPS9bSho0HiGK3y64If96ublvJN
	bW8nCLslwoM0NkSVDykYWSp9ItFpkeEh0b7XnCgJhQrmxRgP7GUeClEhr/JberZxuAFj
	GZJEjPzAAHNUpBn90M8dpxVrD6ATGHIkI2Ens/uF31fAIDxyV1ubdIiKhv6p6vS58Adc
	pFkqwJgiNycVLZL3w/aTMhds4Mhg/aP62VjuAGOuKXS71T5bCpCgOjWHDlJe5QMn4+Es
	MhwQ==
Received: by 10.50.195.164 with SMTP id if4mr8209770igc.20.1347249709180;
	Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.12.167] (rrcs-98-100-103-4.central.biz.rr.com.
	[98.100.103.4])
	by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fm8sm17676822igc.8.2012.09.09.21.01.47
	(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER);
	Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:01:47 -0700 (PDT)
Sender: Warner Losh <wlosh@bsdimp.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
In-Reply-To: <504D2BE4.6030007@FreeBSD.org>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 23:01:45 -0500
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <59550073-A4DE-4152-B406-DFC47AF991DC@bsdimp.com>
References: <CAF6rxgnZGjzm230sZXVXxmE7wPowF_BZqbwRjdvz8oV-03gS=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com>
	<CAF6rxg=5_jpKVOdnggT1FtJcL6C0odvfAG8CuWCtVQmir-5L4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<42D7F0F3-46EC-484A-8665-626AD5D0404E@bsdimp.com>
	<504D2BE4.6030007@FreeBSD.org>
To: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084)
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnUXFxlP0s50FqYzOhDjsfV6WzpLDFxZAOt+xS3cRl9IMCFfChcabx8yUcBAh7xuhpzg2IR
Cc: Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, arch@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD
X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture <freebsd-arch.freebsd.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch>,
	<mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch>
List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch>,
	<mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:01:55 -0000


On Sep 9, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
> We have a long way to go until 10-RELEASE, and a long uptake cycle =
after
> that. By the time even a significant percentage of our users are
> actually using 10.something the momentum will have shifted entirely to
> SVN. ... and anyone using 10 who needs CVS can install it from ports.

I'll point out that "what things should be like at 10.0" is difficult to =
predict today.  Saying the project will be a particular way weakens the =
argument given the project's glorious history on such pronouncements...  =
It is a great goal, but I'd rather see more concrete progress towards =
the goal before pulling the trigger.

Warner