From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 11 04:23:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7B216A419 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from mail.lonelyplanet.com.au (mail.lonelyplanet.com.au [203.166.32.192]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C2013C447 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from Garuda.lpint.net ([10.61.0.88]) by mail.lonelyplanet.com.au with InterScan Message Security Suite; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:22:54 +1100 Received: from klein.bigpond.com ([10.61.20.74]) by Garuda.lpint.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:22:53 +1100 Received: from klein.bigpond.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B4NWe1002980; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:23:32 +1100 (EST)(envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from localhost (petros@localhost)by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id m0B4NTkM002977;Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:23:31 +1100 (EST)(envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) X-Authentication-Warning: klein.bigpond.com: petros owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:23:29 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Ross X-X-Sender: petros@klein.bigpond.com To: jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu In-Reply-To: <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> Message-ID: <20080111115804.T2095@klein.bigpond.com> References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110154737.GA20976@soaustin.net><47864933.6010203@gmail.com> <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2008 04:22:53.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[A25D6E10:01C85409] X-imss-version: 2.049 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scanInfo: M:P L:E SM:0 X-imss-tmaseResult: TT:0 TS:0.0000 TC:00 TRN:0 TV:5.0.1023(15660.002) X-imss-scores: Clean:63.99772 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:2 C:1 M:2 S:2 R:1 (0.1500 0.1500) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:23:06 -0000 Hi all, I hate to pollute the list with the policy/licence "flood". So I am happy to send it to -chat too and continue there if you do not mind. I do not think FreeBSD has a license issue. It has a visibility issue, maybe. By change I speak German so I could read the original BSDforen.de thread. Many think of FreeBSD in terms of a "vanilla" Intel/AMD desktop OS only, and while it's not that popular here (and has some shortcomings there - most are related to missing or outdated drivers for consumer hardware or things like Flashplugin etc.), they consider FreeBSD as fading. I think it would be good to raise awareness of the widespread usage of FreeBSD and *BSD based/derived products where the code works silently under the hood, at Juniper, Cisco, Apple, ISPs etc. I think it is in the interest of the stakeholders to advocate FreeBSD. FreeBSD needs to look "cool" and alive to attract developers. There are many ways dependent on the stakeholder in question. A Mac that shows for a second a small FreeBSD mascot while booting, a Juniper that has it on the administration login.. (ask for it if you are working there;-) .. and a place obvious and easy to spot on the FreeBSD main page. (E.g. a title bar with small icons of them "... proudly using FreeBSD" or whatever) Even a lot of IT folk I am work with do not know how widely used FreeBSD is, and the media adds a fair share. E.g. I remember an article in a computer magazine about NAS appliances sub-titled "Windows or Linux" where only the fineprint in the table comparing 10 products showed that half of the "Linux" solutions were based on FreeBSD. Just my 2 Cents. Peter