From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 21:48:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E4916A406 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:48:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC8813C483 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so1143207ana for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:48:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KAh1OSoZP0ObD92MR+lMpxPqcHJu6+VgL2tqYid+1SSnDUB4JVpoaG9jBUVZHpFR1FbaqcNg/s4fcoP6wAG0eXl+Rnk8XH4tX5MY2SOW4PDMIIKYS2AHW+Wd61bPfXr8py9iuGHSavHk/QunabZae4sz7fkecSuDnF7EpmmgrCM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eoTN9/eqSE9oC7AI+BfN5U7hE5J2pBOsoGa/YmCKMsvuDQJVIHQi2AaisN3n7ro54vJEECYd/ltdQwj5oQAIHiAKRtL3HD9cjFhL5Oz5AFkPJX+tpoz/Y4Hx1vcU2OvJLusv8T8ChYlNulblnGPtR9vfpjJj3JLagoGoCKd7WdI= Received: by 10.100.10.20 with SMTP id 20mr2385094anj.1175896130593; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:48:50 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20070406.151901.-1844003065.imp@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070406153500.GE6950@hoeg.nl> <46166A5E.3090009@samsco.org> <20070406.151901.-1844003065.imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, ed@fxq.nl Subject: Re: Do we need this junk? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:48:51 -0000 On 4/6/07, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: > "Nikolas Britton" writes: > : Where is this coming from? I'm trying to debate some of the issues > : with FreeBSD and the only thing you've added to this thread is fuck > : off? Why? > > Because you have used language that is somewhat absolute and have not > done a market research on who actually uses FreeBSD. You have also > shown a fundamental lack of understanding of how modern machines are > put together as well, since you think all things ISA are obsolete > (they are not). > > As others have noted, there's a very large and vibrant embedded > FreeBSD community. This community makes real and meaningful > contributions to FreeBSD. Over the years, I've made thousands of > commits to the tree, funded in large part by the embedded companies > that I have worked for, including CardBus, PC Card, SD/MMC, > infrasturcutre changes, etc. > > Frankly, we'd rather tell a new, upstart to get bent than to tell > actual users and supports of FreeBSD to get bent by removing the > offending items from the tree. It really is a no-brainer. > New upstart? I have not been using FreeBSD for as long as you but I'm definitely not new here, I've been using and hacking on FreeBSD for over 5 years now and my professional experience with almost every operating system under the sun goes back much much farther. If the project leadership doesn't give a shit about the users then I guess I don't give a shit about project. Good bye. I'm sure Sun would mind new users.