From nobody Sun Oct 30 09:41:40 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4N0WWr2bZCz4gRJd for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 09:41:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4N0WWq21tsz3PJj for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 09:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4N0WWn0sbKzDqy8 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 09:41:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1667122901; bh=3kNR/Gv4agruK5MnLIX1U0rp6vw1g/8Dw5KBUuGsYXo=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=m8prPP+cgsnCY3+B75PePblAOpBs2QLYFNrI8TVYBVlc8PrfnA0fMeFL+DvK2mHYO /ihIAKJv1xHU/xupDS9qbnYIfsBJomj9Qre3NVLaizjHV7xr7dseRQ8Vu8WpDlwqLR jpWG+WVGpr2ll3N5iRs2jFuB5j9TdEKjISLwo4wA= X-Riseup-User-ID: E13129581FE41B59821A7EC1061259DA9AF63A0C86401DDEAE6023133B1408B8 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4N0WWm3dP8z1yWD for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 09:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <15e8931aefdad251e9410889360925826b690d8a.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: Gimp 2.10 crashes on text From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 10:41:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4N0WWq21tsz3PJj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=m8prPP+c; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.15 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.949]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hi, I strongly recommend to migrate to another app. Gimp became more and more worse within the last years and it will not become better. Gimp is one of the apps with a mailing list hosted at gnome.org. All gnome.org mailing list are discontinued end of this month. It was announce by the GNOME foundation 11 days before the lists shut down, just the Vogons announced it in Alpha Centauri or somewhere else earlier, but nobody noticed this announcement. The replacement is the most odd instance of a Discourse forum I've ever seen. It seemingly does use any kind of gamification available and the GNOME's Discourse mailing list feature is breaking with all common mailing list rules + it also suffers from gamification. Have you already seen a gtk4 app? I'm using a rolling Linux release and I've already seen several gtk4 apps. Soon or later Gimp will use gtk4, too. If you need an app for drawing pixel graphic, try to migrate to Krita. If you need it for photo editing, there are anyway better apps available offering Lensfun, too, see https://lensfun.github.io/usage/ . I migrated a long time ago away from Gimp to other FLOSS, as well as proprietary apps. At first I was annoyed by the changes done to the Gimp user interface and finally I experienced that JPEGs exported by Gimp aren't compatible anymore with a lot of other apps on planet earth. The migration from Gimp to Krita on a FLOSS operating system isn't easy, it's an annoyance, but on the long run it's worth the trouble. A migration to related apps on Apple (and probably Windows) machines is a pleasure from the very first minute. I can only comment on Apple, not on Windows. FWIW if you will stay with Gimp and you want help by the Gimp community, too, but you can't stand gamificaion, an alternative unofficial mailing list does already exist, https://groups.io/g/gimp-users . Regards, Ralf PS: It's no surprise that Evolution and other GNOME-ish apps are affected by the mailing list issue, too, however, even apps unrelated to GNOME are affected, at least the Midnight Commander mailing list is hosted on a GNOME mailing list server, too.