From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 8 03:27:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED64D37B401 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 03:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hannibal.servitor.co.uk (hannibal.servitor.co.uk [195.188.15.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0B243F85 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 03:27:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@hannibal.servitor.co.uk) Received: from paul by hannibal.servitor.co.uk with local (Exim 4.14) id 19DMuQ-0002yU-Jg; Wed, 07 May 2003 12:16:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:16:26 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: Pete Ehlke Message-ID: <20030507111626.GI11502@iconoplex.co.uk> References: <20030506101600.D4420@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030506175400.GA28671@rfc822.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030506175400.GA28671@rfc822.net> Sender: Paul Robinson cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Senator Santorum X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:27:17 -0000 On f, Pete Ehlke wrote: > Please explain the slippery slope that lies between consensual sex among > adults who are not married to one another and bigamy and polygamy, > which are marriage to multiple partners. I really, really don't follow > that one at all. I'm a liberal, so maybe not the best person to answer, but I do keep my eye on the right-wing press, and their argument goes something like this: If you base your value of a society based on the morality it embodies, it is important that the moral rules are clearly adhered to. Therefore, if you believe that sex is appropriate in marriage and nowhere else (for moral grounds, typically derived out of religious belief) and you see that society accepts sex between non-married couples, within that society you must assume that there is a morality breakdown taking place. If you have a society that does not value it's own morality, then everything is possible, and those moral barriers that were in place preventing bigamy and polygamy are being erroded and ultimately, they are likely to be deemed acceptable. The argument therefore is that if society accepts sex outside of marriage, then the same society will ultimately accept multiple partners within marriage due to the inevitability of moral decline. This is of course, complete rubbish. In other words, you can spot a right-winger whose opinion on how society should order itself (or be ordered externally) by the fact they use phrases like "it's a slippery slope" or, more commonly in the UK, "it's the thin end of the wedge". If somebody nearby says that in your presence, back away facing them, slowly towards the door and if need-be, uttering favourable statements about Republicans and guns. If you are in the UK the right winger won't understand references to republicans and will think you want to kill the Queen, so instead talk about the Queen Mum and that "wonderful Baroness Thatcher". -- Paul Robinson