From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:02:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91691065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7019A8FC1F for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64095 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 20:02:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=kDFSm58E8VAGRHJpTGM36MrzbKO+NDeQ+Sb9c/ahBSBfANQhKD+IhxwCuhI48VM9rT53Er1KLmlA4aJPH1Zo2nNTDBITNhwnYJ4gUJVsBQLIJ9csPd90FT+dRXGZ2vjEfYmx8LJ1ieHJjyA0hrNM4pygSfchO5LofXGoH5ukypE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 20:02:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: veU5yCUVM1nEKWD4mjpS97QruIv_T8VOZHXn5l38UY20owebRfO3AEdQxfSLohv493EAw4GAcCMZVJB.PIIEjVOSvRy8.xvGUFrhafixD67BQjlcJHvfet66ffguysfxQ78rMP7KiUpKhJKoL1FY4CEJYzTV5y58V6IG.hQrIP1g15Kzjbd.l8GO2jBZ9BZCvJf4NAI_1BC29aiqZcZOzkuyl1A- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:02:28 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEX+/v7++v6YOTrq8PCcuIX989UvOSj++v0BNCbpAAAAB3RJTUUHsQwfFzs7RBhzUQAAAhJJREFUOI1dU8GOqzAMNKIoV1bvwD1i0ysqrHplIdBrVSX7ATSbd03VVvn9tQNtQy0hjAdn7LED4AAcPtWm9RV+MPSfxhBLx9ajd6X/ngB6/mTwnRSZua7i7Ca+0ctZKo4Qmz+JY13X6I3nFZBxIYW1PbgfQ5RP8g0XlltEWGf3cV03joYpRnFbvYDKbXjZlXyyhEZA4lI+cN3NaVXE4VKjSwTExO10eTEkkJVqIAD5z0nUBQJluQDRSQjcrBiHAJxZlAH5CUMBMC7OcJ4LMQNnxhZ1HYPscMc6J4UlWRMNwzOpCcAHKSICd1EDn83abdREIbXsHkD1OinP1aCUCOEVRaa1lMcvywUWdYgk13JQUpYNKmvXQ8Kw5ML9YI5h8SakctBc7E/IYuLhYd/zZIk+1gM1vNweQBvHE0j+oYah3sMqAytQYlZk6+ANaaawJdu3OFzYGMZ3iGpa3qMlq9ZH0VZTgrCtw/ngdYkEIIpSbP1bWQAdFdX9vocBdkH2qVjVmuMu3gI5rjs814EUdrCZgWlPaxZZ3RiLFUtr+ud0PXwp2dnQSNXgePt6AZpBj6UMJ7VQkzN4utVeaSW1Dhn/kblGrKeMvNGnzwX4zuEDarYz1KdPtR60Gul0Gued+515SJXhCsl+Tx/3kY/UDvicPll9mfu50t3tvQ/thZpJYgeuwdSKNJ6tCD98MCgoxLDaPxbwqqwPWaWiAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/EG3Ds/0zoF9J7XiVjWcfndY"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:02:40 -0000 --Sig_/EG3Ds/0zoF9J7XiVjWcfndY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. >this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers >do make support for it. > >what is common today isn't normal. I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. NVidia produces both the hardware and drivers for same. It requested additions/changes to the basic FBSD system to enable their product to be fully functional. Changes that it seems other manufacturers would also need. Now, if FBSD has no intention of working with other hardware and/or software manufacturers/authors, maybe it should just post a big "KEEP OUT" sign on its web page. I seriously doubt that NVidia, or any other manufacturer is about to divulge trade secrets or patented information. What point would there be in that anyway? It is certainly not necessary. What developer in his/her right mind would be interested in making their product usable on a FBSD system if they knew that they would have to divulge all of their trade secrets, etc. Market share increases by making your product more accessible and usable by a larger group of users. If FBSD wants to remain a 'niche' product with limited support for third party products, then the question of why FBSD is not more popular with hardware vendors has been answered. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com meeting, n: An assembly of people coming together to decide what person or department not represented in the room must solve a problem. --Sig_/EG3Ds/0zoF9J7XiVjWcfndY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCw1wACgkQBvaKIJWWCO0UOQCeNlHGN4w0q/bQyS4uoR6eZlmv HDEAn2IBme7KUu12rti08/hHvChGYZPA =9+yT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/EG3Ds/0zoF9J7XiVjWcfndY--