From owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org Thu Dec 3 00:37:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3E24731CC for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 00:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x733.google.com (mail-qk1-x733.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::733]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CmcPV0Q7Nz4WfH for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 00:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x733.google.com with SMTP id q22so634751qkq.6 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 16:37:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5cUbxfjOaVDRnnheU82JgHn4cfwIczcwvwQwruT9Ch8=; b=bfA1v6Rc0CiEUHBeYRNLaJbb+EDgdY7UkFiQtrap4oBgfk/4X6TczjmbwbdRHizLmh 7BVmZBYStOOFIRYaO1Rvkd+LZtdxgGxtE4eSPRfRjoh8w1EE2pExEcRXAK+V1zar29vI YG3yR9ILjVq7CsJDoZoyRcWqFAum8F8l85qr2/waLx0x7X22uDvnHh5c43En2voiw8SO T6A9+ksV3xdN0liXECizNJVOsuDryxgI8ChxT0Jo/DzL6sSSNk2l5zGQGhqbT9DYPBLa xqOtQGIyY4uthNoQM7YnfecvCCaz6A8hIVbAbDa6ZoonsOgxWP0EmXqvZ1xHhUMBjlV6 zWAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5cUbxfjOaVDRnnheU82JgHn4cfwIczcwvwQwruT9Ch8=; b=TNbmCEUQTGSZ7h1gEiscwt1BTBgRxsGRdo8wRo++Ov9PILovd1G7lyhVfzr+X9/DD6 oucAg/BtVoUk/OuYki5wd1oylzbCxfetURfdF/OR0WP/istIWbXl4xF6A28G4pdWKGpa 9Eu7uDnQIA1MqbnCZ64X2XDuFJnopiLLRQn/mn1V5JQ8lIkmSBZui+7bf4obFaAt3PUf /oFR1wLTg6TT2hA9irE9PlMpL+y3vL1Ykv3e9N6iHF+HO4orHU4AiHD2noHJugZlhI7h LMZrX5hH7AYf8q4YO7s0Cw2yZZEv78hjauoU+fWei5QdNMuZq+Jb/PKrALnkFitGogng S1xw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533o/g4MCqJYjZfL5FtkNFABph55doHUDPrG2VNs2Q/p0U3xi2F/ Kw5fGQekro0/05mvHnE5/o6IJWz0pberu/vM+ELCM9L7gsvhBA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyMQfv5TWktWVPZegYYOkBsJIjUWmkCrhLFCio+KPpBGhERuvpp2aFOjylFegXSnSycOlw4Nm1NspdUtxOTCds= X-Received: by 2002:a37:9b01:: with SMTP id d1mr500747qke.89.1606955869014; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 16:37:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201203001247.GF18452@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> In-Reply-To: <20201203001247.GF18452@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 17:37:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFC: removing ndis(4) To: Brooks Davis Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CmcPV0Q7Nz4WfH X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=bfA1v6Rc; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::733) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-net@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::733:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.985]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::733:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::733:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-net]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 00:37:51 -0000 On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 5:13 PM Brooks Davis wrote: > I'd like to propose that we remove the ndis(4) driver prior to FreeBSD > 13. It was a clever idea in the early 2000's when the market was > flooded with 10/100 NICs with Windows-only drivers, but that hasn't been > the case for ages and the driver has had no meaningful maintenance in > ages[0]. I'd be a bit surprised if it worked at all today (it surely > won't work with modern Windows drivers). > > To try to examine the popularity of ndis, I checked dmesgd.nycbug.org > and there are 5 total entries with the most recent being 2007. > > The PC Card attachments are currently marked for deletion prior to > FreeBSD 13. > > Unless there is surprising outcry I plan to add (and MFC) deprecation > notices in about a week's time and remove the driver shortly thereafter. > > -- Brooks > > [0] I noticed today that part of the ndis 802.11 ioctl handler has been > broken since 2005. > Like PC Card, it's time to bid this old friend farewell... Warner