From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 10 06:44:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092C516A4CE for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 06:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgr2.xmission.com (mgr2.xmission.com [198.60.22.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D876043D45 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 06:44:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llewelly@xmission.com) Received: from [198.60.22.201] (helo=mgr1.xmission.com) by mgr2.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BCImo-00035M-02; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 07:44:42 -0600 Received: from [198.60.22.20] (helo=xmission.xmission.com) by mgr1.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BCImn-0005d6-S5; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 07:44:41 -0600 Received: from llewelly by xmission.xmission.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BCImn-00044l-00; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 07:44:41 -0600 To: "Atte Peltomaki" References: <20040410115135.GA20807@norsu.kameli.org> From: llewelly@xmission.com Date: 10 Apr 2004 07:44:41 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20040410115135.GA20807@norsu.kameli.org> Message-ID: Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on mgr1.xmission.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=8.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: llewelly@xmission.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.1 (built Wed Aug 20 09:38:54 PDT 2003) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:44:43 -0000 "Atte Peltomaki" writes: [snip] > It still leaves me wonder - why is the user/developer-base so hostile > towards any critique on the system? In my experience, the investment of great effort, whether to develop a system, or to learn it in great detail, naturually results in an emotional attachment. I will go so far as to say that it is unrealistic to expect no defensive replies to criticism, however well-intended. A good engineer will do his best to put that emotional attachment in its place, and try to see well-reasoned criticism as a way to improve his work - but when the criticism contains 'obvious' errors, it may not seem worth the effort to do so. This is hardly unique to freebsd. > I'm nonetheless a supporter of > FreeBSD's, and as much as any of you, would like to see a glorious > release of the 5-STABLE when time is right. If you were to read criticism of freebsd which you percieved to contain 'obvious' errors, would you react defensively? I am betting you would. > I simply wanted to state > some of my concerns as a user about the time and it's rightness amongst > some other things, and indeed only Robert took the time to actually > answer to me. Thank you, Robert, for that. I think the posts by Robert and phk are the redeeming value of this thread. :-)