From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 22:55:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B0216A4CE; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:55:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateway.nixsys.be (gateway.nixsys.be [195.144.77.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9FE43D39; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:55:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from wotan.home.paeps.cx (wotan.home.paeps.cx [IPv6:2001:838:37f:10:a00:20ff:fe9b:138c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wotan.home.paeps.cx", Issuer "NixSys CA" (verified OK)) by gateway.nixsys.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF13C0E8; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:55:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from fasolt.home.paeps.cx (fasolt.home.paeps.cx [IPv6:2001:838:37f:10:20a:e6ff:fe7d:c08]) by wotan.home.paeps.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B6C6199; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:55:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from fasolt.home.paeps.cx (philip@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fasolt.home.paeps.cx (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JMt8bq078956; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:55:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from philip@fasolt.home.paeps.cx) Received: (from philip@localhost) by fasolt.home.paeps.cx (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j2JMt7ks078955; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:55:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from philip) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:55:07 +0100 From: Philip Paeps To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20050319225507.GH60989@fasolt.home.paeps.cx> Mail-Followup-To: Robert Watson , Doug Barton , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <4239D7AD.7050004@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Date-in-Rome: ante diem XIV Kalendas Apriles MMDCCLVIII ab Urbe Condida X-PGP-Fingerprint: FA74 3C27 91A6 79D5 F6D3 FC53 BF4B D0E6 049D B879 X-Message-Flag: Get a proper mailclient! Organization: Happily Disorganized User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i cc: Doug Barton cc: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Time to stop buildling named (and friends) by default in 6-current? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:55:14 -0000 On 2005-03-18 12:14:03 (+0000), Robert Watson wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Doug Barton wrote: > > Scott Long wrote: > > > John Baldwin wrote: > > > > If we are going to do this, then why not just have users install bind > > > > from ports and only install the client as part of the base system? > > > > This is what we do with DHCP for example. Basically, if it's going to > > > > be an optional component, I think it belongs in ports, not the > > > > /usr/src. > > > > > > I agree here, though maybe the argument is moot now that Doug imported > > > 9.3.1 last night? Not changing the status quo is ok too. > > > > Scott, did you see my response to John's post? I don't consider any of > > this a done deal, but I had to get 9.3.1 in the tree asap in order to try > > and make an MFC before 5.4 goes out. If we collectively decide to strip > > named and friends out of the base, we can still do that. I know how to > > remove files from the vendor branch now. :) > > Personally, I'm something of a fan of keeping the complete BIND in the base > tree as is -- built by default, but not started at boot by default. It's > well-maintained, historically "BSD", and probably widely used as such. I agree with this. I wasn't very fond of BIND 8, but I've changed my mind after BIND 9 :-) It's a bit like sendmail -- very 'historically' BSD, and just something one expects to 'be there' in a complete way. Like sendmail, it's also very well maintained, which is an argument in favour of keeping it the way it is. - Philip -- Philip Paeps Please don't Cc me, I am philip@freebsd.org subscribed to the list. If you can't measure it, I'm not interested.