From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 13 03:08:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209E016A407 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B386143D4C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:08:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1BB5F43A4; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:08:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:08:25 -0500 To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20061013030825.GB17131@soaustin.net> References: <451F6E8E.8020301@freebsd.org> <20061011102106.GY1594@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> <20061011151458.L97038@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <20061011083021.C2780@treehorn.dfmm.org> <452D6CFD.4040905@FreeBSD.org> <20061011223610.GA30707@riyal.ugcs.caltech.edu> <08C06C77-F9CB-4545-8A68-9E930E2C58DD@khera.org> <20061012184845.GA59291@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061012184845.GA59291@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:08:26 -0000 On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 09:59:10AM -0400, Vivek Khera wrote: > For anyone who really wishes to stick to FreeBSD 4.x for performance, > we should refer them to dragonflybsd, which seems to be taking this > approach. It was forked from FreeBSD 4.8 and seems to pretty modern > in userland. DragonFly has made substantial rewrites/changes since the fork from FreeBSD. I think to assume that there are no regressions in either stability, speed, or support may be naive. Their changes may or may not be improvements, but it doesn't necessarily mean that moving will be painless (note: they no longer use ports, and instead use pkgsrc, so users who are migrating are going to have some work to do). As always, individual users considering migration will have to do extensive testing to see which one best works for them. Therefore, I would rather not see us make the recommendation "use DragonFly". I would rather see people concentrate on making 6.X have better stability, features, and performance. After all, the early releases of 4.X were (from what I've heard) somewhat rough in those areas, as well. As for the related idea of dropping support for 5.X, the current secteam support schedule shows 5.3 and 5.4 support ending October 31st. (Hopefully everyone has already moved off 5.3 long ago). This leaves only 5.5 which is shown as having secteam support until May 31, 2008. (Everyone will concede that 5.X was an, um, "transitional period" and/or "learning experience".) If any users are interested are still preferring 5.5 to 6.1 and the upcoming 6.2, we should probably try to find that out before we devote a lot of developer resources to supporting it ... mcl