From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 7 20:15:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333B016A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (user-0cdfenm.cable.mindspring.com [24.215.186.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 142DC43FEC for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:15:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@online.fr) Received: (qmail 882 invoked by uid 1002); 8 Nov 2003 04:15:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:15:38 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brad Knowles Message-ID: <20031108041538.GA806@online.fr> References: <20031104192215.GA848@online.fr> <3FA7FEA7.80205@potentialtech.com> <20031104201324.GA2654@online.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.20 i686 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: Bill Moran Subject: Re: How do hackers drive? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 04:15:40 -0000 > Technically, that may have been correct, but I have been twice burned > by a multitude of situations where, practically, I really did need to > be able to speak a native language. Otherwise, I didn't fit in, too > many others felt uncomfortable trying to speak English, and I did not > work long at that company. As I said, if you're planning to spend some time there you'd want to learn the language. Just as anyone wanting to spend time in America should know English. > I don't know about the Netherlands, but speaking for Belgium, > theoretically you cannot apply for a work permit and visa while you > are resident within the country. You need to apply for it from your > official country of residence (i.e., the place you could stay for the > rest of your life, without needing a visa or residence card, etc...). This is equally true of the US (at least, in my experience it is true of academic visas, and I have been told it's true also for H-1B visas). Worse, to renew a visa when your temporary position has been extended for another year -- no change of job involved -- you need to go back to your home country (in theory you can apply in any other country, such as Canada, but it's risky -- particularly after 9/11 -- and if the application is denied you can't re-enter the US). It is possible to stay on with the old visa in some cases if the other paperwork is ok, but one cannot leave and re-enter the country -- even to Canada or Mexico -- without getting a new visa. I imagine most countries have similar rules. Rahul > and requires working through your embassy in the local country plus I doubt this > the local country's embassy in your official country of citizenship, > etc.... That's pretty obvious, who else would you go to? > And that's just the stuff that the employee has to deal with -- > what the employer has to go through is far, far worse. I imagine it's pretty similar to a US employer who needs to employ someone on a H-1B visa. Paperwork has to be done in all cases, maybe the scale is different in different countries, but don't imagine that anyone can just overstay their tourist visa in the US (or any other country) and demand a work permit. Rahul