From nobody Mon Sep 2 22:49:56 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4WyP8x2Zp3z5VBhn for ; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 22:50:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joesuf4@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WyP8x1g9Rz4YLJ; Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:50:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joesuf4@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-42bb885f97eso22850165e9.0; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 15:50:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1725317408; x=1725922208; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ApFqiVrcnvWwx/TJeH4fafA7yhoKeI+f2cuwdkZGUYg=; b=Bs0AUJxkVKFaPsS9RIk1nA5kpOugRsrkUqv293l0XsARPL+kt3p1Paq0dsMC1xJbHK je5yOeHn/3PKZN93nOhhpzo/ysBo/deYl/efKn+BAy8rE8VjGVZCuvi8rrqeIwh7J759 l1D2IeCuHldVu5Dw1ipejnt/gMHPNVnzIpxRqaQjObGAVE2eV1mJ3xAy5ewnSOarCRae dUMnnk+UK83qXxAS5AqUtiNhwTumzYqF/m3OArru4fka7nLbHeZ+FK6LwDM34wUOzj+6 Vr/YkD3n3p0exHV25aN6pe01ym1rzjjbrZL3vHk5mHWIFw6RZ/fviWPp/2k1G+1VqFFH Va8g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1725317408; x=1725922208; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=ApFqiVrcnvWwx/TJeH4fafA7yhoKeI+f2cuwdkZGUYg=; b=iUnLio+mTw7S5MFxnhvoulVvgGIsXDoiLmRsnOa1Lqtte3sC3mjTQIdf6fQQjkEqmP AJ7iY9Xbmsq8axU4ZRC7sM1Z2fUZmNyo7+2paWqi392jNkkdTP30NokwOKlU9bn0HqVx hppn1z+nCMn4pAzoxeXmVSGUKhMKY5FiJBGbALdsQq923d8EwNNK0AShmoDdsDlMfrsT uaoFI5crFxWapkTmUjHIT1zFGTAgxsQ4l11xMCHojwnnqZzvvGa+wLsdz8pLJfcJOTHG wwvBTar013ihmmqdsFw4hg+HPjtUteJ3XseXW9WqI0HdmD6AU5YhwLqsZZ6vdN4N0aX3 Xu2Q== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCU1f9Q3hZC39IETKtfZFNLzOG0z7DwCTGzz3x13AnyVg8SlptheaWse3yBt8KEVdzkCEGQ6+6tsbqaFClSzLQAO@freebsd.org, AJvYcCXx5AdvWE56im6CDN+r/8R6iwDMhis9o3JkXWXTa4LxBG+DgbEllxgx4Krlp6ojodH9Smd4OJmr@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxjTmNLmfEeicYiz38ED7DvgIGUB3XyCXCjzsBx0wyO48kct2xw Pa+yVkZyREwlQEWeF2ZjA8gTkm2vlPE+3UqYY5BMYmU+SGREZ3m9I7roEUQEZ6y2CfsGKg3hQpK s6HplrqM6BSRrFjMnh3upMfuN00I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG4dQyowO8TSx1QuFPhmAImhI4y/6j6oI1Hd2Gey/XB5uhY3UgINgGheFpbyNVcwhByxS2jlJ4Tu60ir//A9/Y= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:59a7:0:b0:374:c878:21f7 with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-374c87823fcmr3917152f8f.10.1725317407535; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 15:50:07 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Joe Schaefer Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:49:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The Case for Rust (in the base system) To: fvalasiad Cc: "tomek@cedro.info" , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "imp@bsdimp.com" , "asomers@freebsd.org" , Konstantin Belousov Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003378f906212ac380" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4WyP8x1g9Rz4YLJ --0000000000003378f906212ac380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is a shitty tool by engineering standards, because it is 1/ nonportable, 2/ non backwards compatible, 3/ immature (compiler segfaults). The world can wait for the tool to stabilize in order to get wide scale adoption. On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 6:30=E2=80=AFPM fvalasiad wrot= e: > Rust's poor ecosystem and lack of a standard library doesn't really help. > > Its fans are also a loud minority. The sooner people start looking at it > the proper way, as a tool, brighter days for Linux will come. Hopefully t= he > time will come for that. > > For the time being, it truly is a burden though! I'd call it an > investment, patience people! > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > On 9/3/24 01:23, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > > Rust for Linux maintainer steps down in frustration with 'nontechnical > nonsense'. > > Community seems to C Rust more as a burden than a benefit > > > https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/02/rust_for_linux_maintainer_steps_do= wn/ > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > > --0000000000003378f906212ac380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is a shitty tool by engineering standards, because it = is=C2=A0

1/ nonportable,=
2/ non backwards compatible,
3/ immature (compiler segfaults).

The world can wait for the tool to stabilize in order to get wid= e scale adoption.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 6:30=E2=80=AFPM fvalasiad <= fvalasiad@proton.me> wrote:

Rust's poor ecosy= stem and lack of a standard library doesn't really help.

Its fans are also a loud minority. The sooner people start l= ooking at it the proper way, as a tool, brighter days for Linux will come. = Hopefully the time will come for that.

For the time being, it truly is a burden though! I'd cal= l it an investment, patience people!



-------- Original Message --------

On 9/3/24 01:= 23, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
Rust for Linux maintainer steps down in frustratio= n with 'nontechnical nonsense'.

Community seems to C Rust more as a burden than a benefit


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