From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sat Aug 25 07:09:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C551108035F; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 07:09:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22b.google.com (mail-it0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF07B8C2E4; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 07:09:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id p16-v6so4691141itp.1; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 00:09:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RmAw1c00j+Mc2pGgdP5PC4j+7C2Vb473bBX23LmxzA0=; b=iLryk+y2QYQBjsYlYefYDTxkZ7REVBUDUP8kEx4L12IftriU6GxhQ6I6SedaNyBJUO cCRNHdWKBCYOfr0xjPV0jdH15qEldvesDy1x1AyxN36SyTvfcUktJJTetAV3hBVX8kND LTR/BV/c4p0kyyg8Iy9R6U4KBYXC53D6pa2+Bzsh5pMQgLV0RUcq2UJjkMeUUPsoNY28 b9M/NpofI41euk6sLAtz1m/4WTSaEUABEyNqj539wNyxYr7eFnYKgum7YLNbr7u3kKUV ytceSFvbj/TAr6x0pBp06htCfF/Ku/9jRZPBPxzdVCUbxvtQk9Kath4cT9jspaUuQnvT j9OA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RmAw1c00j+Mc2pGgdP5PC4j+7C2Vb473bBX23LmxzA0=; b=K2+L13fjZl/BlfxCJavR/fW+I7fREsZu9lDJNkh6om2VLtDgSE8JToO6Clda51qwL2 5a9cIAbZJjihdCXm88hXUShLU6hRWJ3k+DqWxGX51VCbYYtgP//wcy0yB4kr+W4ajyLx ODdaX4syd0V4z2dESgufOcTUN9WB2H4lPa2Q6kt9OPydh8g2hWzUNMaUQKckHaQmZmlR OvadAxYf/rHJA5s2aiTxgXcbhRFTIU9u+aRHWiUxA6DeX4h4wBqbUk3Nv7Idb1cZfQBO DsLH8Mx78z3S+oYCyLzkS2ULPMVDeQIwj4xQ0l+jtGeEgO4xyEkkuBghLdLDJUyK3wqH DxZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DxqlXDrnkL10h66ccNMpPtIOxoBcarIiHB7/uYFErqUYuTmy7F MmwPo3gEdbAhbw5yrPElrPBYSgoB/bSKvbLkX1s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdackqLgtoqDvm9wCk7onIWjHnPCvdm0MNLfMyG0RbzGxg3QjNj0/xH3d9XPqMiEoSokXxToW1TI/ZWzzfzc4ok= X-Received: by 2002:a02:1643:: with SMTP id a64-v6mr3774697jaa.133.1535180981050; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 00:09:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <20180825020424.GA16497@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <20180825020424.GA16497@lonesome.com> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 15:09:29 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 To: Mark Linimon Cc: Warner Losh , mmacy@freebsd.org, Ali Abdallah , FreeBSD current , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 07:09:42 -0000 On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 10:04 AM Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 07:07:24AM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > Are these guys insane and please avoid the nonsense about you're doing > this > > in your spare time. > > Let us know how whatever OS you wind up using instead works for you. > I suggest you look for one that will put up with your constant harangues. > > There are very few people on the mailing lists as nasty and rude as > yourself. It is tiresome, demotivating, and childish. Please go > elsewhere. > > mcl > Your opinion has been noted but this issue isn't about me. It's about the Graphics devs coding themselves into a corner and looking for an easy button so they can continue to feel good about their toy. There's a reason the changes they tried to force down the FreeBSD source tree was reverted; It does not meet any standards of quality. I have no inside knowledge other than my ability to think clearly and it's obvious that The FreeBSD team wanted to hint at them that their code doesn't pass the sniff test. Instead of being whiny brats improve your code and have it work without breaking compatibility with what has been working for quite a long time. Here's the play by play; You guys push this mess contaminating the FreeBSD source tree, some long standing user tries to update their machines and it blows up; 1) Most will just leave 2) Some will complain 2a) You guys will say; Read UPDATING..... bleh bleh blen They'll get aggravated, thereby aggravating people who came to this platform for Stability. Users who actually use FreeBSD to get things done do not time to trawl these mailing lists, they have real world problems to solve with real world constraints. There are OS with kqueue and all those things it's called Linux; You can go there and play w/ that stuff to your hearts content. If you want your code to get merged, make sure it follows the guidelines and not break the systems for people who are already using the platform. Now, I understand hearing harsh criticism about your work might hurt your feelings and all but here's the antidote; work harder, improve your code, try again when your code quality improves. You guys cannot expect people to accept these kludges in their systems that they run everyday. It's an open source project, you can't get mad because your code isn't accepted, it's your jobs and engineers to do better not expect users to jump through hoops to accommodate your subpar attempts at coding. This isn't about me, it's about the quality of code that you guys are trying to submit. Best, Owen