From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 22 23:58:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AC9106566B for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:58:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jasonspiro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9761A8FC14 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwi15 with SMTP id 15so4464549pwi.3 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:58:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-type; bh=7X9cNbmnqrCy1QO0zHVMPCMRAnnpU8LgXJU7zgK6zgA=; b=XsSW70Z5aGgeVT00WbSI2unUCPbnT709s4lcV8ZHeieapiXM3PpnIC/ezg94xuuRtq 78xzyY78AS8GgQfHAyuQkhoVWSALe6fYGjFY3WEV8oOuBgokwEm1QpK0BKZARJjhhgV2 +Imbs+/rTOu11YsS3XCW0yTvZIGIzshgqFJPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; b=lxkVEq0ZTh7ohk2nucTgK6PXnXd2SVnL/SH9QXynmnDdujkdceeCf02Oo8WYWyUzWV hgqslmb4vdUjjJlpLEbFwIbmESzPWNH48VnXCctNQvJqjadPifdrh98NNOLhBqby0hNL NYDhm/eaHP+wYWJiNruk+Jp0mZJwgO3zKcQnw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: jasonspiro@gmail.com Received: by 10.141.131.8 with SMTP id i8mr6599389rvn.90.1261526281072; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:58:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B3159C7.9040309@FreeBSD.org> References: <4B3159C7.9040309@FreeBSD.org> From: "Jason A. Spiro" Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:57:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5907ca053e5d96e1 Message-ID: To: Doug Barton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestion: rename "killall" to "fkill", but wait five years to phase the new name in X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:58:01 -0000 On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > Seriously, it's not our problem if solaris did something stupid. Actually, it looks like the mistake was made by Linux and FreeBSD developers. SunOS had[1] killall in 1992, and maybe earlier. Craig said the earliest copyright date on Linux killall is 1994. I think FreeBSD killall is newer than 1994, since its manpage says that it was modeled after the killall included with other OSes. I think this must mean Linux. When Linux and FreeBSD made their kill-selected-processes command, they shouldn't've called it killALL. But mistakes happen. Luckily, mistakes can be corrected. > There > is no hope whatsoever that you're going to get every Unix that has a > rational 'killall' command to change, so can we please drop this thread? It's never too late to change something for the better. Xorg finally set Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to be disabled by default about a year ago, to prevent accidental data loss by newbies. Some people agree with this, some people disagree, but the change is done. So it would have been better to write "There is little hope, so can we please drop this thread?" instead. ^ [1]. http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0708/6mgg6t7gv?a=view