From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 10 14:48:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60531B619F for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 479xhp5rhmz42cK for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1573397323; x=1575989323; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=1ZC/dVHkNmh7a+0WRkVHQ7Z5QlZiBbO8RcW5MT7txsM=; b=SrBlvD1+aK6fijlqtERScqqOjePniWzYCQyIqrQtP9pZsX7eOpSZSzUerIK6H7bQdv8MTRN0ZVwDcQFF3eESIticQ9+AdE/yqmke4Eb4aNZghOpMAGX9wab5lyQSLiqucAN8Ll9z+S3E8hEaqO3tKST2RW7a9S4Z4ptn3w6vcvk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYzcwMDAwMDI5NDZkYzkuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:48:35 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:48:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1iToVy-000OnI-Bq; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:48:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:48:30 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: Polytropon , "James E. Pace" , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: 12.1 on Thinkpad - problem making graphics work Message-Id: <20191110144830.096ce11b0668dd0721359cfa@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20191108194652.50c4f8e7c87ec76b9abc6e19@sohara.org> <20191108200005.21a9cdac18587cc36bd7cb01@sohara.org> <20191109154827.42b0b2e1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20191109183356.76307bdc4ab6f0a1f68c0acd@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 479xhp5rhmz42cK X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=SrBlvD1+; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.17)[ip: (-0.40), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.75), asn: 7381(0.56), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:48:43 -0000 On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:22:52 +0100 Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > I hope FreeBSD will stay that way and remain its high quality standards. > Breaking kernel API/ABI with each release is definitely NOT the way to go. This was a late (post release) discovered bug not intentional breakage. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/