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Date:      Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:00:52 -0800
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
To:        Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net>
Cc:        net@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: TCP out-of-order packets.
Message-ID:  <41E6C564.50005@elischer.org>
In-Reply-To: <20050113055111.GA11141@odin.ac.hmc.edu>
References:  <41E5C9D8.4090209@elischer.org> <20050113055111.GA11141@odin.ac.hmc.edu>

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Brooks Davis wrote:

>On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 05:07:36PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote:
>  
>
>>I have a link which is provided by someone else that is 7 x E1s aggregated.
>>At leat it looks that way to me when I get to see it. however I have 
>>only been able to get
>>60kB.sec across this, despite having a tcp window size of 131072 bytes..
>>After investigation it appears that the link is massively re-orderring 
>>packets.
>>groups of upto 10 packets may appear in random order. (Maybe more, bu tI 
>>have seen 10)
>>
>>in fact packets are rarely IN order.
>>
>>This plays havoc with the tcp sessions.
>>
>>I was thinking of writing a hacked up version of NATD that
>>instead of doing NAT, just did a pre-sort on packets from each session, 
>>so that the receiver would
>>see a stream of IN-order packets, with occasional delays.
>>
>>firstly, does anyone have any tools to do this already (why build when 
>>you can borrow)
>>and secondly, does anyone have any experience with this sort of problem?
>>
>>I have no control over or access to the link.. all I have is a promise 
>>that they will deliver
>>14Mb/Sec. with approc 300mSec. RTT to me but there is no promise about 
>>packet order.
>>
>>I just get a 100Mb ethernet cable.
>>    
>>
>
>Have you tried Andre's TCP reassembly rewrite?  He says he saw
>significant improvements in the face of major reordering.
>  
>

I don't think it's a problem with reassembly overhead, but rather a 
symptom of sender
backoff when confronted with multiple duplicate acks due to the receiver
getting the packets out of order.

I wonder if there's a way to turn off the sender backoff?

>http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-net@freebsd.org/msg14064.html
>

These machines are production machines on a custommer site.. running 4.8
it would be significant work to put the rewrite in (to 4.8)  and a lot 
of red tape to
reboot one to the new kernel.. :-/

>
>-- Brooks
>
>  
>



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