From nobody Sun Oct 30 21:59:18 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4N0qtx4Vfpz4gjgF for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 21:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iio7@tutanota.com) Received: from w1.tutanota.de (w1.tutanota.de [81.3.6.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.tutanota.de", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4N0qtw3dP0z41Mb for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 21:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iio7@tutanota.com) Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFDBFBF994 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 21:59:18 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1667167158; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=/C0FxOR1cLn1T0M6k7sqHlTu9wrwHJdtce6KQN4ZDPE=; b=Wt6YeOX9U7LJgAvf5nHUSWNAOFCjNFgEC0DiWdWHfu247cjQD03/hIhnTPS4QPZA tgvCmIhI/1wV5tb0UlqMuICfdKJHaPqneFiU9LzUCCClx1Si415zmOAXOi0meDnmLBj jBQpMQf43G7IDGRhzRAJSCWyNhUOTTa8TASfGNojHEZteQ96FUwjVljgKEy9UTIp/n8 +yu+S3xts39zTBJTivlql/X3F5Nq2spwqjaUg3vNaMHgQMrFzJf3Jlwx3JLsxzlS3N+ sJbhBtGbUlV3TIca4A7YkTWMOm1lLHU1Sx7NB46apMkn1DCMNLGJhcx2g+TKRGfLhSB cjwRE1cSeQ== Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 22:59:18 +0100 (CET) From: iio7@tutanota.com To: Freebsd Questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20221030072116.1a1d7401abe274145a95f12a@sohara.org> Subject: Re: Why are the package updates so slow? List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4N0qtw3dP0z41Mb X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tutanota.com header.s=s1 header.b=Wt6YeOX9; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=tutanota.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of iio7@tutanota.com designates 81.3.6.162 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=iio7@tutanota.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tutanota.com,quarantine]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:81.3.6.160/28]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tutanota.com:s=s1]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24679, ipnet:81.3.0.0/18, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tutanota.com:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Oct 30, 2022, 08:44 by gspurki@gmail.com: > On 10/30/22 08:21, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > >> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:54:04 +0200 (CEST) >> iio7@tutanota.com wrote: >> >>> I know that in this example, it's not an important update, but as I >>> understand it, the FreeBSD build machines are running Poudriere and as >>> such, packages get updated automatically. >>> >>> Why doesn't this happen more often? >>> >> There are a lot of packages, it takes a long time to build them and >> sometimes builds fail. For anything more detailed you'll need to talk to >> the folks who run the builds. >> > Or have a look here: > > https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ > This is interesting. By comparison, Arch Linux has 13592 packages. Even though this is a little under half as much, they get binary updates out daily. Debian has, in unstable, 167965 packages! Which - if you run unstable - also get daily updates. How is this then done differently? If a FreeBSD machine fails to build one or more packages, does that halt the entire process on that machine, or does the succesfully build packages at least get pushed so that they can be downloaded? Running FreeBSD packages with the "latest" repo just doesn't compare, it's so slow to get updates by comparison. This is not rating or complaining, I want to understand why there is such a big difference. Thanks. Kind regards.