From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Jan 22 23:32:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B103537B43C for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:32:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=tanya.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16THtL-000F39-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:32:19 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (tanya.raggedclown.intra, from userid 500) id E4506118A; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:32:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:32:18 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A question from a convert from Windows to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20020123073218.GB4008@raggedclown.net> References: <007b01c1a381$93765900$328dfea9@pegasus> <2807.198.151.239.42.1011756241.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> <00c801c1a3d8$438a8720$0100a8c0@pegasus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00c801c1a3d8$438a8720$0100a8c0@pegasus> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:36:16AM -0600, Bob Giesen wrote: > > > Seriously, though, your input as a fresh convert from windows is very > useful. If you can let people know specifically what parts of the > installation were troublesome, they will improve them in future versions. > > Actually, I'd love to even help, someday, but I'm afraid that will be > some considerable time into the future... > Yes, and there lies the problem you see. Many things can be improved, but with FreeBSD it's changes and improvements come from it's users, or from just a few of them. Someone may well have the motivation, skill and general courage to program drivers for FreeBSD and will do so, maybe because they enjoy it, they care about the project, or they have a device that doesn't work yet. That same person may not really have any motivation to improve "sysinstall". However someone who feels strongly about this and who thinks FreeBSD's acceptance is being hindered by the lack of friendlier tools is the very person who can change it, or if they are not a programmer can at least document what there is, or suggest a design for such a thing. I don't participate anymore in any discussions involving comparisons of Windows and FreeBSD, because they go nowhere, and are of little practical value. This list is about a particular Operating System, maintained and developed and nurtured by people who enjoy it, use it in all sorts of practical and/or recreational situations, use it in business situations such as ISP's and a few lucky ones may even earn a living from knowing about it. It is not a toy system, it is a mature O/S based on the original brilliance of a few people at Bell Labs a long time ago and since developed by a lot of other clever people. On this list you get advice from people that does not cost $35 a go, you get access to the whole of the O/S under the most open licensing system imaginable. You are using a Unix system, a system that was and remains still a landmark in Computer Systems. I realise you may not have the time to contribute much, I mean I hardly contribute that much myself (well I just submitted a 3 line change to a kernel module...hardly going to get me the contributor of the year award I guess ..). But it really would be much better if people stopped taking Windows as some kind of model to which FreeBSD should aspire. That really is missing the point, and missing the chance to have that very nice feeling you get when you use something and can say "Hey, I contributed to this". Hey you want to have the flowers in the garden, then you need to plant a few seeds..as well. -- Yours poetically Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message