From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 7 21:25:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [207.8.42.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E5A37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bob@luke.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.11.2/8.11.4) id f784PbJ72021; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:25:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:25:37 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Mike Meyer Cc: chat list Subject: Re: OFR (Was: How did the MSFT monopoly start?) Message-ID: <20010807232537.A65486@luke.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20010806142544.A64348@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <15214.52633.581653.632317@guru.mired.org> <20010807145112.C39962@luke.immure.com> <15216.25797.153039.786261@guru.mired.org> <20010807183116.D53464@luke.immure.com> <15216.33324.9869.833842@guru.mired.org> <20010807191721.A62228@luke.immure.com> <15216.39229.89700.679362@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15216.39229.89700.679362@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 08:43:25PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 08:43:25PM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > > That's actually amusing. The IBM box was running MVS with TSO for > timesharing, and only had a few 3270 attached to it. I don't think I > ever used a fullscreen editor on it. On the other hand, I had a > commercial ersatz emacs - MINCE - for the CP/M-80 system. It came with > full source in C so I could customize it to my own tastes. We had several 370s and many 3270s. Some of the 370s ran MVS, some VM/370. In fact, prior to the start of the AIX project, all we had were 370s here in Austin. The full screen editors the we used (SPF and xedit) were quite tailored to the 3270 hardware, which was half-duplex block transfer. Not interactive in the sense of today's editors. You'd type in up to a screen full of data then hit (usually enter) to send it to the system. Pretty pathetic compared to what we use now days, but still a lot better than what was initially available on the PC, and it did reduce the interrupt load on the system. Of course, quickly following the introduction of the PC, a number of internally developed full screen editors popped up within IBM. Some of them were pretty good and were eventually marketed (or bundled with PC-DOS and/or OS/2). There was one called "v" that I still occasionally use when forced to edit something on MS-DOS. Its small size makes it easy to fit on a diskette and it is a bit like vi (hence its name). > > Only Unix had better tools for C software development - at least > initially. VMS later added a reasonable C compiler, and I still prefer > the VMS "run" facility to make, at least for small projects. I managed > to install a C compiler on the IBM, but it was pretty pitiful. I never had to use a C compiler on an IBM mainframe (we were using PLS and 370 assembler then), thankfully. It (the C compiler) was rather awful as I recall. Bob -- Bob Willcox All men profess honesty as long as they can. bob@vieo.com To believe all men honest would be folly. Austin, TX To believe none so is something worse. -- John Quincy Adams To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message