From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 2 20:06:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17009 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16999 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:06:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA09728; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:36:25 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA07819; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:36:24 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981003123624.X2176@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:36:24 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Bruce Evans , bright@hotjobs.com, mike@smith.net.au Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Code freeze and Beta or business as usual? (was: ELF kernel?) References: <199810030224.MAA21754@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810030224.MAA21754@godzilla.zeta.org.au>; from Bruce Evans on Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 12:24:43PM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 3 October 1998 at 12:24:43 +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: >>>> any idea on the expected cutover to ELF kernels? >>> >>> Perhaps Sunday or so. There are a few variables left, but no more than >>> a couple of days before it's ready. > > First Sunday after the release? > >> Oh. What does that mean for LKMs? >> >> Isn't this a bit late in the Beta to start changing kernel formats? > > Yes, it is (current date - start of beta) too late. I do agree with Mike that this stuff is worth doing. It's also worth getting CAM into the system. It's also worth redoing the boot code. It's also necessary to convert the LKMs into KLDs. All of this is happening, and on the face of it, that's good. What's not good is that we're calling this "Beta test", and we're still planning to release 3.0 in 12 days time. This is not a Beta test; at best, it's an integration test, but there's so much new code going into the tree that it's difficult to even call it that. I know that from my point of view, if we release 3.0 with an ELF kernel, I need to get down and do a lot (well, a non-trivial amount) of work. This is the first I've heard that I need to do this before release. Others may not even find out in time. I think we should do all this work. When we've done what needs to be done, we freeze the code ("no new functionality"), and test it. Then we release the software. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message