From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 23 20:58:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F181065672 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx04.dls.net (mx04.dls.net [216.145.245.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FA18FC1A for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.145.235.21] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx04.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NCfzQ-0008BB-ON; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:58:30 -0600 Message-ID: <4B0AF776.4000802@emailrob.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:58:30 +0000 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lawrence Sica , fbsd_chat References: <200911200921.nAK9LKpf063202@lurza.secnetix.de> <4B06DD70.8030308@emailrob.com> <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA30ED5BAF@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> <4B07451E.8020907@emailrob.com> <00029DC7-4B52-47AC-8EE7-0E4B94631A24@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: lcd monitor manufacturer recommendation request X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:58:31 -0000 i thank you, sir. Lawrence Sica wrote: > > On Nov 20, 2009, at 8:40 PM, spellberg_robert wrote: > >> i thank you, sir, also. >> >> >> >> Person, Roderick wrote: >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org ] >>>> >>>> >>>> > You don't have to do anything. >>>> >>>> [ slow burn, then, sigh ] that's the problem with the world, today. >>>> when people don't --have-- to do anything, people don't -- >>>> learn_how-- to do >>>> anything. >>>> oops, i digress. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> You should also note that the refresh rate is pretty much >>>>> irrelevant for LCD displays. While 85 Hz did make sense >>>>> for CRT monitors in order to avoid flickering, that's not >>>>> necessary with LCD monitors. They won't flicker with >>>>> 60 Hz which is a very common refresh rate for LCD. >>>> >>>> >>>> this is useful to know. >>>> while i --have-- seen some that claim a f_vert up to 85_cps, >>>> 75 seems to be a popular top_end. >>>> >>> You could get an LCD monitor that only has the 15 pin connection, >>> then you can >>> choose refresh rate and play with modelines. At least on the >>> Viewsonic LCD I have >>> which is 5 years old I had to do that to get it working. That is if >>> you really want to keep doing such things. >> >> >> it isn't that i --want-- to keep doing this; it is that i --can-- do >> so, if i desire. >> for my 500ps, i had set up 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x960 and >> 1600x1200; all at 85. >> once i had tweaked these to my satisfaction, i left them alone. >> this was quite_a_few years ago. >> about two weeks ago, i decided to try improving on the 1280x960; >> this led to adding 1440x1080, which i like very much, now that i >> have used it for a_while. >> > > An LCD is not like an CRT. You cannot mess with resolution and expect > it to look good, or even readable in some cases. LCDs are meant to run > at a native resolution and switching from them is not recommended in > most cases. In fact if you want to tweak much then a LCD is not for > you. You don't need to, and really should not, go outside manufacturer > settings on an LCD. this thought was a real eye_opener for me. i must have spent an hour thinking things over, before reading any sub_sequent posts. i got to thinking about the operation of some lcd_televisions that are owned by friends. this was the start of my paradigm_shift. >> you see, i am a hardware guy. >> some fellows tweak gasoline engines. >> i met a machinist who built a steam_locomotive at 1:8 scale [ i think >> it was a 4_8_4 ]. >> i have a friend in the flower business [ roses ] who builds chairs >> out of wood. >> if i had my druthers, >> i'd be building small systems out of hcmos 8_bit >> single_chip_controllers and msi >> [ lately, i have become intrigued by energy_conversion ]. >> another way to while_away the time is to >> build hf_band receivers and [ < 5_watt ] transmitters out of >> vacuum_tubes. >> winding coils is --very-- therapeutic. >> >> >> >>>>> My recommendation is to go to a shop, look at several >>>>> monitors and take the one you like best, irrespective >>>>> of the manufacturer. Do *NOT* buy an LCD display that >>>>> you haven't seen with your own eyes before. I'm serious. >>>> >>>> >>>> holy moses !!! >>>> >>>> you are reinforcing my long_held belief that lcd is a downgrade >>>> from crt. >>> > > They are not downgrades, they are just different. There are pros and > cons to each. Unless you are doing high end graphics work the main > advantages of a CRT don't really apply. Things have changed quite a bit. > > --Larry yes, they have. from what i am reading else_where, not for the better, though. rob