From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 22 05:05:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8006416A422 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:05:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markzero@logik.ath.cx) Received: from addr9.addr.com (addr9.addr.com [209.249.147.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E2743D55 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:05:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markzero@logik.ath.cx) Received: from logik.ath.cx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by addr9.addr.com (8.12.11/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id j6M55aOe036084; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by logik.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 710F56588; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:05:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:05:36 +0100 From: markzero To: asym Message-ID: <20050722050536.GA27478@logik.ath.cx> References: <42e0044a.3317306b.5585.30fe@mx.gmail.com> <42E058BC.9070004@tog.net> <20050722030707.GA39218@logik.ath.cx> <6.2.1.2.2.20050722002806.03860150@mail.rfnj.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050722002806.03860150@mail.rfnj.org> X-GPG-Key: http://darklogik.org/pub/pgp/pgp.txt X-Fingerprint: B776 43DC 8A5D EAF9 2126 9A67 A7DA 390F DEFF 9DD1 X-ADDRSpamFilter: Passed, probability (10%) X-ADDRSignature: 36636DD6 Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Adding OpenBSD sudo to the FreeBSD base system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:05:56 -0000 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 12:28:41AM -0400, asym wrote: > At 23:07 7/21/2005, markzero wrote: > >On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 10:23:56PM -0400, ender wrote: > >> Stephen Major wrote: > >> > >> If sudo offered the opportunity for more features, but by default > >> behaved exactly the same way as su, I would see no disadvantages to > >> replacing su with sudo. Am i missing something? > > > >What happens if you maintain systems that don't need sudo? >=20 > You don't use the additional features. That was a hard one. Next? Don't patronise me. This is supposed to be a mailing list discussing security, not a childish pissing contest. It is a valid concern when a tiny, well tested SUID binary is to be replaced with one almost seven times its size: $ wc -l /usr/src/usr.bin/su/su.c=20 572 /usr/src/usr.bin/su/su.c By comparison: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/sudo/ $ du -h `which sudo` 98K /usr/local/bin/sudo $ du -h `which su` 14K /usr/bin/su I am not opposed to having sudo in the base system, I am however opposed to it replacing su. I use sudo on about a third of my systems, on those that I don't, I would no longer have the option to remove it unless I wanted a crippled, su-less system. If sudo does not replace su, those that don't use it can remove it. Those that use it - good, less work for them. Everybody is happy. M --=20 pgp: http://www.darklogik.org/pub/pgp/pgp.txt B776 43DC 8A5D EAF9 2126 9A67 A7DA 390F DEFF 9dD1 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iQIVAwUBQuB+nqfaOQ/e/53RAQr3AA/+Mm0V3bLsV1ZkkxYZd3rzloF9a5QdsNQD CAoCELSPOcM1kE3gDZSf5brbgS3LgPZc3ac3WHZxGCzTtp0qzgwJDU9xxw0kIzs/ etOAur1f99lO5HaM2qesEJgXqwvT9gMfE2x+iFdf6juNA4Wn2IuhDWdqtAVP29Kj 8UsqziTK8ebrtKZvrS7Mvhd28o8xBzTE8vK865B/M7QUwc3/7C3ADZ8ES2pl+BOR LTdmFIQgl6DaX6AU8dDOX/8HzhI/fFkKc4P6qEHgbNe0v059D58CSSV4vj8Kaf3h e53ql1pIZ/n0mF7FsUjzYDZj7E3LFQJ2WMUWbjJpLz85VxOPenGRv0Twbh2sMErg 2nG8d+3rVOHeRd4jzMTADZaQXBm7ZqdBldL1mqTFUnORN56o+pCXNgLzpZ+IPlhA ws4oz2aSQsVY/KfSEOvY4lJkG6ZJhAQw9NHDF1JBEyztGV0omFbiS3xCCL2Ncfc0 6E08ywhk5fnSfwr4zaEOyJYirTT7oHQHobFZTk8GeLSXVx7lOPaUu48hmLL5UfKo nHUdw4id41wwA22LJUNTPx+7S9XokO/AGxRnK55smwsg2R9wZS+C8l3r4eB4Y9gq khfLSWl6JJyqEHtpT9jSxe7X64v09H78ku1PC8gL0gSTjYrT9RYXBcU64usimQuD Wn44c3mkf+0= =wgsI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl--