From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 15:52:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CD316A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-20.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-20.bluehost.com [69.89.20.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60A9D13C45B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 24746 invoked by uid 0); 28 Nov 2007 15:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 15:52:56 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IxPDc-0003HE-Jb for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:52:56 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lASFrVps044932 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lASFrVNu044931 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:53:31 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071128155331.GA44867@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200711221711.lAMHB2Go059678@fire.js.berklix.net> <4746DC61.3070409@gmail.com> <20071126013545.GB29622@demeter.hydra> <9964e6660711270639icb920e0nc2e51d0a14ac7604@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9964e6660711270639icb920e0nc2e51d0a14ac7604@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:52:57 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:39:43PM +0300, Nico Revin wrote: > You know... The only thing I can say for sure is that FreeBSD and *buntu are > both great systems. But the problem is in management. Why do you think > Ubuntu became so popular? Mark sold his business and had a great credit to > fire a start-up. So he did. > > And what had he done first? He bought all of us. Show me a person who DID > NOT got ubuntu via ship-it system? It was really for free!!! I didn't, actually. It's faster to burn it to CD -- and it didn't take me long to realize that no matter how free it was, it wasn't what I wanted out of my OS. I agree that taking that approach has spurred on adoption rates, though, even if it didn't work on me in particular. > > Marketing is evil. But without it you can lose the market share, respect and > money... The economic model of the open-source projects is very weak. Mark > demonstrates that it can be efficient. I disagree that it's "weak". The problem is that it's competing with legislation and entrenched corporate interests that have a lot of market clout and paid lobbyists fighting against any rapid changes in market realities. Visibility is a pretty handy tool for resisting those influences of course -- and that's what Shuttleworth is bringing to Ubuntu (as you've pretty much pointed out): visibility. None of that or anything related to it means that the "economic model of the open-source projects is very weak," though. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Baltasar Gracian: "A wise man gets more from his enemies than a fool from his friends."