From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 31 10:10:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE74106564A for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7527E8FC14 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B46A1E518; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:10:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n6VAAa7n001543; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:10:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:10:36 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Freminlins Message-Id: <20090731121036.c8226554.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4A71F561.2050103@videotron.ca> <6201873e0907301306x4bc9a4c6n3e8ca0affc7d8fe5@mail.gmail.com> <200907301308.01035.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:55:49 +0000 Cc: More , PJ , Andrew Gould , Adam, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.2 RELEASE ? Buggy as hell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:10:44 -0000 I may add: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:50:07 +0100, Freminlins wrote: > I have used FreeBSD on the desktop for about 6 years (but not yet running > 7.2). It has mostly been a pleasure. I'd like to say that I'm using FreeBSD on the desktop exclusively since version 4.0 and I've always been quite happy with it. No problems at all - since the big crash. When I was "forced" to use FreeBSD 7, I was a bit disappointed, I can honestly say this. But that has NEVER been a problem with the FreeBSD OS, but always with additional packages, so I won't blame the FreeBSD developers who deliver a faster system with every release - just to see that the installed packages (like X, browsers, OpenOffice etc.) just run slower and slower with each new version, and that's sad. > I didn't like it when X was changed to > individual packages, as it now takes considerably longer to install. And the > output from pkg_info takes correspondingly longer to search through. It also > installs two scripting languages (Perl and Python). I haven't had a problem > configuring X for years. Especially because I'm running a quite old system, I am not interested in (or depending on) the new magical autodetection and autoconfiguration stuff - because it simply doesn't work for my hardware. I can't even set my screen size to 1400x1050 as I could in "old" XFree86, so I have to use xrandr. I always liked FreeBSD and its additional software for NOT having to mess around with in such a way. But maybe I'm just old-fashioned. :-) > If something has changed which then causes problems to end users, then that > is not good. And it's no good telling people "use PCBSD" or something else. PC-BSD has its own set of problems. Different ones, I agree, but they do exist. Especially the bad german internationalisation of KDE comes into mind. And you have to use quite up-to-date hardware. > That's not what we want. We want to use FreeBSD on the desktop. Exactly. > Don't try and put people off using FreeBSD. It would be much better to help > them resolves the problems they are having. I agree with this, and it's the purpose of this helpful and polite mailing list. But it requires that users who seek help do this in a certain way. Things like "OS bashing" do not help. But I can understand the wish to express feelings of disappointment. I just question if this mailing list is the place to do so. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...