From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 19 07:29:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA12201 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA12187 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA07083; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:36:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:36:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199611191536.KAA07083@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Tony Li From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: changed to: Frac T3? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >Here is a point though where Dennis will philosophically disagree with me, > >and that is all right. Dennis makes a big point out of the fact that a > >UNIX router can perform other services too... I do NOT believe in that > >paradigm. So for me, specializing a UNIX kernel for a router would not > >be a bad concept, but Dennis probably would not agree. > > I dont disagree (in fact we may have to do it to route T3), but it will be > a specialized functions, not for everyone. > >In fact, there is a _great_ deal of painful experience in dealing with >routers where there isn't quite enough CPU time to get everything done. >Routing protocols are basically soft real-time distributed systems. When >they get delayed, they tend to collapse in spectacular ways. As a result, >putting any significant non-routing load on a router is a _really_ bad >idea. that's 'cause you've been working with machines that have stinky little CPUs :-) > You MIGHT be able to get away with it by suitable modifications to ^^^^^^ >>the Unix scheduler, but then it wouldn't be Unix, would it? ;-) And the >>cost of another box to support a server is sufficiently low that it would >>seem to make sense not to risk the routing... The point of this discussion, I believe, was to try to determine what "it" is. As machines get faster, it keeps changing. Certainly there is a limit, but its not totally clear what it is. Dennis