From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Fri Jan 18 00:08:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1FB1485089; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D54788C4C2; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id x0I08Tjs052764; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:08:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id x0I08THg052763; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:08:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201901180008.x0I08THg052763@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: svn commit: r343118 - in head/usr.sbin: . trim In-Reply-To: To: Maxim Sobolev Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:08:29 -0800 (PST) CC: Cy Schubert , "Conrad E. Meyer" , src-committers , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Reply-To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D54788C4C2 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.95 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.954,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:08:38 -0000 > What I think we really need is some way to easily porti-ze useful stuff > that would otherwise go into /usr/[s]bin, so adding things would be just as > easy as hooking up SUBDIR into usr.[s]bin/Makefile. Yes, I know, this is > topic almost as old as the FreeBSD Project itself, but perhaps we just did > not approach it the right way. It was always the idea that we would just > move bunch of stuff from src/usr.[s]bin repo into ports/. Which brings > several important question such as "who is to host the distfile"? "where > sources hosted", "who is to update the port when changes happen?" etc. > > Perhaps even by forking the whole ports idea into a smaller closely-guarged > subset. Something like a new baseports repository, which might have > structure like baseports/usr.bin/xxx, baseports/usr.sbin/yyy etc. Then add > some automagic glue to kick in on every commit and transfer this into valid > ports, which is going to be packaged by the poudriere and such. This way we > could reduce amount of port-foo average src committer needs in order to > maintain code. I am almost tempted to sit and write something over the next > weekend or few of thereofs. Using usr.sbin/trim as an example. Couldnt the "distribution" just live as files commited into the ports tree as a "work" hierarcy and the top level file be marked as no fetch. We use to stick small stuff in ports by putting there files in files/ and having that work IIRC. I really really dislike the idea of putting stuff from base in external repositories and then fetching them, something just feels fundementally wrong about that. > -Max > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 12:47 PM Cy Schubert > wrote: > > > In message > il.com> > > , Conrad Meyer writes: > > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 12:22 PM Cy Schubert > > wrot > > > e: > > > > This is wrong. IIRC there was discussion that this should be in dd(1). > > > > Why not submit a revision to add the functionality to dd? > > > > > > Well, it's wrong, but not because we need another weird dd mode. dd > > > is hard enough to use already. > > > > I've never found dd confusing. What's wrong conv=erase? > > > > If it must stay, sderase is a better name. That's really what it does. > > > > Ports maybe? > > > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > Cy Schubert > > FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org > > > > The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. > > > > > > > > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org