Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 17:23:58 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky <freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> To: Chad Jacob Milios <freebsd-list@nuos.org> Cc: FreeBSD Advocacy <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks Message-ID: <20180717172358.400f097d.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: <1E035CAF-99CA-4E53-930C-53CF0018B167@nuos.org> References: <20180714064429.36c6bc43.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <1E035CAF-99CA-4E53-930C-53CF0018B167@nuos.org>
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Hi, On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 19:44:55 -0400 Chad Jacob Milios <freebsd-list@nuos.org> wrote: > > On Jul 13, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Erich Dollansky > > <freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> wrote: > >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > here are the consequences of putting a CoC up high on the priority > > list: > >=20 > > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Darticle&item=3Dwindows-freebsd= 112-8linux&num=3D1 > > <https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Darticle&item=3Dwindows-freebs= d112-8linux&num=3D1> =20 >=20 > There is NO indication of causality here. Your logic is missing or > flawed. >=20 you mean, the money spent on the CoC would not helped to develop better code by getting people willing to code for the same amount of money. > > Focusing on software would have made FreeBSD do better. =20 >=20 > Fair =E2=80=98nuff, let=E2=80=99s do that. What is it that you=E2=80=99re= focusing on with > this message or [ongoing] thread, though? >=20 Just documenting some short comings of the project in its current state. > Insightful and informative. Thank you, Jeff. I think any of us who=E2=80= =99ve > had any real participation in the various forums of communication > used by The Project for any significant length of time are familiar > with the often passionate and sometimes contentious nature of many > talented and creative people. When a necessary response, which may > come as drastic, is sometimes taken it=E2=80=99s only made worse if it=E2= =80=99s met > with shock and surprise by the may-be brat throwing the would-be > tantrum. >=20 > You know, Erich, this is a perfectly valid question. I had the same > very same question myself, and I must say, it=E2=80=99s a mighty fine CoC= you > got here. I see nothing at all wrong with yer short CoC, but see, > we=E2=80=99re white, we=E2=80=99re men. A small CoC=E2=80=99s always seem= ed to work well > enough for us. Ask the women though. See what they think. Ask a > darker fellow how he appreciates the utility of having the longer, > broader CoC. >=20 I showed this to my wife. She is not white, and - what a surprise - she is not make. All she could do is laugh. There was a time, when she asked if white people are really that bad. The CoC gave a clear answer. > Core and the CoC committee did _not_ have an easy job to do! No, they > didn=E2=80=99t do it flawlessly but it seems like it=E2=80=99s so Gawt da= yum easy for > some of y=E2=80=99all to sit back and complain from your easy chair. If y= ou > actually know how to behave and conduct yourself as a decent human > being then why t.f. should the prior or current CoC have any real > bearing on your life _whatsoever_? This is not rhetorical. I am > seriously asking, please, can someone explain all this butthurt to me? >=20 I come from a background where we say, stop it before it takes over. What ever bad thing appeared in the past, appeared very smooth, very gentle, just like this CoC. > I can admit, i do understand the appeal of the good ol=E2=80=99 days of t= he > boyz club. Colorful and loud, outright raucous discourse, i tend to > enjoy. But we are a bigger project now. Like Warner said, the 90=E2=80=99s > are over. With all the good we=E2=80=99ve achieved comes some compromises. > I=E2=80=99d rather support and protect diversity. The Nineties are over, yes, but is civilisation also over? >=20 > Can anyone actually tell me why they find the long CoC so > intimidating? Honestly, who really left the project _over_the_CoC_? > Pointing at our CoC to cast blame is just simple minded and lazy. > There are PLENTY of problems and issues with the project and the > software while there are also many very good very hard working people > doing all that they can to make FreeBSD GREAT, and I think it still > is. I find discussions about those issues to be infinitely more > interesting than bickering about our CoC. Of course, people can work on FreeBSD with the new CoC. But do they have to work? The future will tell. >=20 > Much LOVE to all of you. Oh shoot, now did I just trip over FreeBSD=E2=80= =99s > massive CoC? How come? You are a bad boy. And have a person who makes a fuss out of it. Erich
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