From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 11:23:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C023737B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:23:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from slumos@nevada.edu) Received: from nevada.edu (cm246.19.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.19.246]) by 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AHR11632; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107231814.AHR11632@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> To: Mike Hoskins Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Hoskins of "Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:22:35 PDT." Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:13:26 -0700 From: Steve Lumos Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Hoskins : >On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: >Actually, the user you describe as just 'ending up' places vs. actually >RTFMing and making informed decissions sounds like a newbie. With that in >mind, I'd suggest reading: > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html > >Specifically, > > "If you haven't installed yet, look for the *latest mainstream > release*." This is a perfect example of how the documentation is going wrong. If you have installed FreeBSD, then that ain't you. That's one reason why I suggested changing "if you are new to FreeBSD, you are most likely going to want to think twice about running [-CURRENT]." There are a lot more people who ought to think twice about running -CURRENT then just those who are "new to FreeBSD". >> "Changes to this branch have not been widely tested and should not >> be depended on to work." > >Hmm. Speak for yourself, and your apparent lack of clue. Personally, I >have many working -STABLE boxes. Well, I might not be the most clueful person in the world, but I can usually manage to avoid having ad hominem and hasty generalization fallacies in consecutive sentences. Do you dislike that sentence because you claim that -STABLE has been widely tested, or that it should be depended on to work, or both? From what other people have said, it seems to be the case that a) -STABLE used to be exactly what the handbook (until the most recent update) says it is, and b) it's not anymore, but RELENG__ is instead. I would be interested to hear somebody authoritative correct that, but otherwise it means the handbook needs to be fixed. No big deal, seems to be happening already, everybody be happy. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message