From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 3 22:23:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A669587D for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 22:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DC5E36C for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 22:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sA3MNIbI092769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Nov 2014 15:23:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sA3MNIH2092766; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 15:23:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 15:23:18 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: Postal Notification In-Reply-To: <201411032107.sA3L7lWd036684@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: References: <201411032107.sA3L7lWd036684@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 03 Nov 2014 15:23:18 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 22:23:27 -0000 On Mon, 3 Nov 2014, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Darren Pilgrim wrote: >> On 11/3/2014 8:01 AM, jd1008 wrote: >>> Is there a way to PREVENT such spam??? >> >> The spam was sent through the mailing list. There is no way to stop >> spammers from abusing mailing lists unless you make the list closed >> access (which would utterly defeat the point of the FreeBSD MLs). > > That's painting it simple. There's various mail list types on @freebsd, > inc. eg: Announce; Subscribers Only; Moderated=Censored jobs@; [etc?]. Agreed. Another way of looking at it is that by not requiring subscription and hence allowing some spammers, we are making the list less helpful to the very people who need it. There must be other open mailing lists out there, but they are extremely rare. > questions@ has discussed before if we should require subscription, > (& if so, to reword /etc/motd to tell posters to subscribe first); > > A majority who expressed a preference did not want subscription required. > (I was with a minority who did want it). I agree, it should be subscriber-only. While that will not eliminate abuse, it will help. And I would bet money that it will happen eventually, it's just a question of when. >> FreeBSD mail admin(s) actually do a pretty good job. These are very >> old, very well known open lists and the spam rate is very low. > > Yes. Thanks to postmaster@freebsd team :-) That is true. With almost no recognition, they do a difficult and tedious job. If it wouldn't add to the workload, I'd suggest sending them a thank you note. :)