Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:29:42 +0300 From: Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org> To: Stanislav Sedov <stas@freebsd.org> Cc: "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, Dmitry Marakasov <amdmi3@amdmi3.ru>, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> Subject: Re: svn commit: r281129 - head/etc Message-ID: <20150410092942.GF99375@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <C7B81740-9763-491E-9DBC-ECB4D368B82F@freebsd.org> References: <20150406085323.GL23643@zxy.spb.ru> <20150409215802.GY21982@hades.panopticon> <20150409220442.GQ8220@zxy.spb.ru> <20150409232711.GZ21982@hades.panopticon> <20150409234026.GH1394@zxy.spb.ru> <20150410000259.GA21982@hades.panopticon> <20150410070845.GU8220@zxy.spb.ru> <20150410073230.GE99375@FreeBSD.org> <CB87FA26-8C78-4A20-BC2C-6D3A9F0031E7@FreeBSD.org> <C7B81740-9763-491E-9DBC-ECB4D368B82F@freebsd.org>
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 02:06:41AM -0700, Stanislav Sedov wrote: S> > To be fair, this is not exactly true. To my knowledge no mainstream S> > operating systems except Linux employ UTF-8 at the moment: S> > * Windows is still UTF-16 based S> > * Mac OS X uses it’s own version of UTF-8 (aka UTF-8-MAC) S> > which is the cause of constant pain when moving files between S> > OS X and FreeBSD. S> S> Sorry, I just realized that I might have replied to something S> that you didn’t actually say. Ignore that part of my email S> if you didn’t mean compatibility with other operating systems. S> S> As for the change, my concern is basically the following. The S> only effect of this commit is that all the users with the S> ‘russian’ login class will be automatically switched from KOI8 S> to UTF8 as a part of the next update. Do we actually want S> this to happen? Yes, we do. And it is long overdue. Today vast majority of Russian users do this change manually. Minority stays with KOI8-R. Even Slawa mentions that he is migrating machines. Yes, this has impact on people doing upgrade. But before we have impact on people doing fresh install. Since today most Russian users already did this change manually, we expect impact to be small. Let me enumerate problems for those who stay with KOI8-R: If your terminal is in KOI8: - Emails with umlaut in From: are mangled. You compose reply, you put "?" char into person's name. - Emails from Japanese and Chinese people are even worse. The entire name is ??????. If your filesystem is in KOI8: - Email attachments you save have names mangled. - Many Gnome based applications crash. - You can't read file names from downloaded torrents with Russian file names inside, neither you can create your own torrent shares that would be compatible with others. Those who use FreeBSD as desktop, except very small minority, switched to UTF-8. -- Totus tuus, Glebius.
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