From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 27 00:36:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA14300 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 00:36:29 -0800 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA14295 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 00:36:23 -0800 Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16295; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:33:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199511270833.JAA16295@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the install and on Red Hat Linux. To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:33:46 +0100 (MET) Cc: cshenton@apollo.hq.nasa.gov, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <13398.817427598@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 26, 95 03:13:18 pm From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1801 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: [much deleted] Earth calling hackers, hackers come in..... It might be "fancy looking" to have an install process running in X, BUT, gentlemen, keep in mind all the hassle we had when we said that 4M wasn't enough to boot the install disk !! My experience here tells me that the first thing many new users are going to do, is trying to install on the old 386 box over in the corner, and if we won't run resonably on that, forget it.... Also all the more "proffessional" users that uses FreeBSD on servers, gateways etc typically has an old (if existent) video system, so they would be shouting at us too... I've had a little pet project for some time now that would allow us to run a graphical program on videohardware ranging from old CGA to modern VGA (admitted no graphics on a true monochrome card, only on hercules), that has most of the controls etc that Visual Basic (I know BWADR!) has, but with an interface to "pure" C code instead. As Poul-Henning suggested I could even use VB as the design tool (not a bad idea at all). This VB thing might actually be THE point, as I miss the easy design that VB allows, I've seen no tool for X (for a "human" amount of money that is) that gives that kind of freedom. Lets face it, we will only get graphical utils if they are easy to generate. So when will Wine run VB ? :) :) I'm working on this for something entirely different, but I think it would do fine here, as well as for all those "sysadm" utils we can imagine to do. Much of the system can still be changed, so I'm open to suggestions.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time.