From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 28 00:58:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8422D106566B for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:58:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sendtomatt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F3B8FC08 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2so6291760pbb.13 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:58:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pqwuCtDiuiyCywR687l2Ic5TrA9+uY1rvIoTJvdzGYs=; b=W9MMZ+fYh3KmhzECXO/i/4/k6nCg9yJWwfIvztJacBHHk6OlajUrjofqjo0t0KYJDM 2rEt0kZOkKnjpd1ftV7oPffkAz56Fi59JSL3G4jJNY2Sxc714cLTbPNXMV2kKEABVAqD p41nTqLf0U9wAXPfBRpTrdfeeMoiHmbJYPPeUIy3tuP9b4Pd7OboJa/OSMioA2NqUhaG shhDTNTzPGWhZ4TrZqya1ydC7SeDDoUlepbzCBgk9L43oj32BKLkAnsc0/84a/B9Wk/N Ltb3qWzc55zikrhMttKRt3b/E/Ql+tBKGkZDBJwHraVomlGDLX0o3Qcv+CUkqXxirfyi hP5w== Received: by 10.68.227.163 with SMTP id sb3mr18096257pbc.74.1343437115129; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flatline.local (70-36-223-239.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net. [70.36.223.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oq4sm2894680pbb.21.2012.07.27.17.58.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <50133932.4040602@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:58:26 -0700 From: matt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120619 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joaoBR References: <20120725030004.52b1e8c2@pop1.hm.net.br> <20120725112622.24184266@pop1.hm.net.br> <5010064A.7030406@bally-wulff.de> <20120725165439.01c894e9@pop1.hm.net.br> <5010500D.4030109@ksu.ru> <20120725170817.5d6d1edb@pop1.hm.net.br> <20120726023449.0bb85746@pop1.hm.net.br> <20120727030914.4bd55d30@pop1.hm.net.br> <20120727112428.742eaa62@pop1.hm.net.br> In-Reply-To: <20120727112428.742eaa62@pop1.hm.net.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2/3D rendering cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:58:35 -0000 On 07/27/12 07:24, joaoBR wrote: > Em Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:49:23 -0600 (MDT) > Warren Block escreveu: > >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, joaoBR wrote: >> >>>>> well all ati cards are PCIe and are supported, question is what >>>>> capabilities they have with FreeBSD and new xorg-serevr >>>> UMS is used for cards up to the 4000 series, but the driver wants >>>> KMS for newer cards. I mention PCIe because it may make a >>>> difference, I also have PCI and AGP versions of various ATI cards. >>>> >>> do I understand this right? are you saying what you say "the driver >>> wants" or that newer cards do understand KMS? >>> >>> for my understandings so far is no point to use xorg-server >>> WITH_KMS (for ati) since ati cards are still not working with it >> For 4000- or lower series cards, the radeon driver still can use UMS, >> or KMS if available. For 5000- and higher series cards, KMS is >> required for either 3D acceleration (a few cards) or to work at all. >> Later versions of the driver may remove UMS support for all cards, >> which will make them useless until FreeBSD has ATI KMS support. >> > thanks for clarification > in other words, the DRIVER requires KMS but since it is not available > for any ATI card so far, it still is useless for ATI users. It only > still works because the driver still accept UMS. > > what eventually means that ATI users should not upgrade to newer xorg > until this situation change > > > >>> I think DontZap makes no sense anymore because it does not zap >>> anymore with either setting ... does it work for you? >> Yes, but only because 'setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp' is >> in my .xinitrc. Default is to have the option enabled but no key set >> to activate it. >> > I will check this out > > >>> so last question, kind of useless but do you use kde4? Is openGL >>> (DesktopEffects) enabled and running fine? >> No, I don't use KDE, it's just too much for me. xfce4 with >> compositing enabled so windows to go transparent when dragging. > well, not so bad at all, xRender does transparency in KDE4 :) > > > thanks! > For what it's worth a Radeon 4650 has been both cheap, accelerated and quiet for my basic desktop use (compiz, ioquake, native rtcw :), etc). This gives me hdmi, dvi and vga, where I can use VGA as one screen and either HDMI or DVI as the other. Mine's a powercolor Go! brand, but it doesn't matter...should be around $30-40 USD. Do not enable KMS, and all is well. It does take a while to switch back to syscons, especially if you are using a high resolution mode. I can't wait to use newer cards when ttm is possible, but performance is not lacking with OSS drivers on the 4xxx radeons. Matt