From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Apr 12 06:49:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812962B46C0 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 06:49:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490MnM0pZ5z3Dh2 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 06:49:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03C6oNSk058295 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) X-Mailer: Cypht MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <548297b0-d720-c3fc-2bca-01025f581515@grosbein.net> From: Chris Reply-To: bsd-lists@BSDforge.com To: Eugene Grosbein Subject: Re: Why is the console a graphic/bitmapped console, and not text/character by default Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:50:29 -0700 Message-Id: <0945b3b641401e1b7c50590169cc5265@udns.ultimatedns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 490MnM0pZ5z3Dh2 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.67 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.76)[-0.760,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.91)[-0.912,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 06:49:59 -0000 On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:55:47 +0700 Eugene Grosbein eugen@grosbein=2Enet said > 12=2E04=2E2020 11:41, Chris wrote: >=20 > > Sorry for the ling title=2E But wasn't sure how make my > > question more concise=2E > > Why did we begin making an initial console "graphics mode" > > by default=2E My understanding has always been that (Free)BSD > > has been a "Server by default", and a Desktop after an initial > > install if that's one chosen target=2E > > It's near impossible to perform initial configuration > > in graphics mode, using a mouse to cut/copy/paste does *not* > > work as intended=2E Which requires one to make the necessary > > changes "breaking to the new system" after install completes > > to change initiation to test-mode before bouncing the box=2E > > While this "works" for long-time users=2E It's an *extra*, and > > seemingly *unnecessary* step=2E It is also likely to behoove > > first-time/new users -- except those already targeting a > > Desktop=2E > >=20 > > Thanks for any insight into this! :) >=20 > There are now many new hardware incapable of booting in legacy mode=2E > It runs in UEFI mode only that needs newer console driver vt(4) > that defaults to pixel rendering mode but supports text mode, too=2E > Sadly, some UEFI-based hardware does not support text mode even with vt(4= ) > and there is no option other than using pixel mode then=2E >=20 That explains it=2E Thanks Eugene! :) Even if the answer is a bit disappointing=2E ;) --Chris