From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 22:16:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D1416A403 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:16:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F8913C489 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (obsolete.xs4all.nl [82.95.250.254]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l36MG82T029853; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:16:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l36MFQG9001701; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:15:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l36MFQek001700; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:15:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:15:25 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20070406221525.GB1631@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20070406153500.GE6950@hoeg.nl> <46166A5E.3090009@samsco.org> <20070406.151901.-1844003065.imp@bsdimp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, ed@fxq.nl, "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: Do we need this junk? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:16:12 -0000 On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 04:48:50PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote.. > On 4/6/07, M. Warner Losh wrote: > >In message: > > "Nikolas Britton" writes: > >: Where is this coming from? I'm trying to debate some of the issues > >: with FreeBSD and the only thing you've added to this thread is fuck > >: off? Why? > > > >Because you have used language that is somewhat absolute and have not > >done a market research on who actually uses FreeBSD. You have also > >shown a fundamental lack of understanding of how modern machines are > >put together as well, since you think all things ISA are obsolete > >(they are not). > > > >As others have noted, there's a very large and vibrant embedded > >FreeBSD community. This community makes real and meaningful > >contributions to FreeBSD. Over the years, I've made thousands of > >commits to the tree, funded in large part by the embedded companies > >that I have worked for, including CardBus, PC Card, SD/MMC, > >infrasturcutre changes, etc. > > > >Frankly, we'd rather tell a new, upstart to get bent than to tell > >actual users and supports of FreeBSD to get bent by removing the > >offending items from the tree. It really is a no-brainer. > > > > New upstart? I have not been using FreeBSD for as long as you but I'm > definitely not new here, I've been using and hacking on FreeBSD for > over 5 years now and my professional experience with almost every > operating system under the sun goes back much much farther. If the > project leadership doesn't give a shit about the users then I guess I > don't give a shit about project. Good bye. I'm sure Sun would mind new > users. Happy trails. Please do not return. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org