Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 04:45:09 -0500 From: Tim Tsai <tim@futuresouth.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: [gketell@juniper.net: Re: Juniper M160 vs. Cisco 12000 vs. other vendors] Message-ID: <20000604044509.A16990@futuresouth.com>
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--AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You guys might enjoy the tid-bit about FreeBSD here. Tim --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <list-owner-ttsai=pobox.com@inet-access.net> Received: from wormwood.pobox.com (wormwood.pobox.com [208.210.124.20]) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18152 for <tim@futuresouth.com>; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:34:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from inet-access.net (inet-access.net [207.8.186.50]) by wormwood.pobox.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AEC9864C76 for <ttsai@pobox.com>; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12233 invoked by uid 108); 2 Jun 2000 21:39:29 -0000 Delivered-To: list@inet-access.net Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000602141250.00cce320@localhost> X-Sender: gketell@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:25:24 -0700 To: list@inet-access.net From: Greg Ketell <gketell@juniper.net> Subject: Re: Juniper M160 vs. Cisco 12000 vs. other vendors In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10006021141390.18474-100000@again.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-list@inet-access.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: list@inet-access.net At 12:04 PM 6/2/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 8:09 AM 6/2/2000, Greg Ketell wrote: > >Why are you so negative on Juniper? > >sorry if i may have hit any nerves; Not really. But it was reminding me of a similar discussion with a Cisco GSR PM I got finageled into at a recent NANOG. >this isn't personal..the topic does >seem to have a debate team sound to it :) Debates are often best for enlightening the listeners. Participants may not change their mind but the listeners get to. (;->) >(if i were to suddenly change hats, i'd mention something like "juniper >never seems to mention 'code bloat' ") We try not to bash publicly. >if juniper is good on it's own merit, why do they have to mention the >engineering team is composed of ex cisco employees? (rhetorical) (serious answer) the reality is that to be able to write protocols that work for Internet scale you have to have been writing protocols for Internet scale. Trying to take someone out of school who knows the theory and have them write your code just doesn't work. (Ask the Terabit companies.) Sooo Juniper swiped those who had already been doing it and gave them the opportunity to "write it the way you think it should be done". Juniper calls it the Internet Classroom. You have to be in the Internet to learn the quirks of trying to handle millions of users, hundreds of thousands or routes. We weren't there; we hired those who were. New startups have to try to do the same or they will not be able to have protocols that can handle the Internet well enough to get into the classroom to learn more. >also, i was under the impression that cisco code trains are customer >driven True. But they have far fewer Internet customer than Enterprise customers. So, how useful are those features to you. >is freebsd really running inside the m160 router? Grey area. Back in 1996 the first development platform started out as FreeBSD. Since then just about everything has been completely rewritten. Way down deep surrounded by Juniper enhancements you can find what used to be (and still acts a lot like) the FreeBSD kernel. >which vendor has more knobs? More? Cisco. More useful? That is for you guys (our mutual customers) to decide. >taste great, less filling..err..better mousetrap, less mice.. (;->) >thanks again for all the juniper info Any time. GK - Send 'unsubscribe' in the body to 'list-request@inet-access.net' to leave. Eat sushi frequently. inet@inet-access.net is the human contact address. --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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