From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 12 19:41:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405A034397D for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:41:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c2000018e909.226817d1150cc5167279481d65db245e@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49kB0r6FM3z3xwG for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c2000018e909.226817d1150cc5167279481d65db245e@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1591990861; x=1594582861; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=V4uqIO7Z2ZYIuY1qN8KfkRZ6DT6RalxwNQ2a/xzRWs8=; b=jYS6YOac1D3dMwXuFcK1IVihFxBvRictDm/0rjMC9Wni8zvrgjIcjL2Y8ISwQ4WPQwZBVBkn+E29bjADYk1jzHJOWlRsFmFoJWYzlxrWtRTkD7BHQZIWgwHermq/wzrlB+4b+t7a9NIQVbYwxpIA1iBh3h+OBtgHZAvG+tdPxM4= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDAxOGU5MDkuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:40:56 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:40:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jjpXq-0008wy-El for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 20:40:54 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 20:40:54 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd Message-Id: <20200612204054.363719eeb2d1f23e4f01fcb0@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <4fff9eab-fa74-afe9-b046-9b0bcdb072ce@panix.com> References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <00225a04-237d-9051-9aea-12c192106a20@anatoli.ws> <373EDB20-C750-42E2-A41B-EA61F6E49807@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611075658.1dd841a9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611082443.0000187a@seibercom.net> <2e6c6baf-9d87-2a02-00c3-578c6630f97f@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200611172537.2f7cdc07@archlinux> <20200612081401.f5a5c95b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4fff9eab-fa74-afe9-b046-9b0bcdb072ce@panix.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49kB0r6FM3z3xwG X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=jYS6YOac; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c2000018e909.226817d1150cc5167279481d65db245e@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c2000018e909.226817d1150cc5167279481d65db245e@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.019]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.985]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.37)[-0.372]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c2000018e909.226817d1150cc5167279481d65db245e@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org, 4250.82.1d4c2000018e909.226817d1150cc5167279481d65db245e@email-od.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:41:02 -0000 On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:58:16 -0400 Kurt Hackenberg wrote: > On 2020-06-12 02:14, Polytropon wrote: > > >> But it's often done by redefining the ASCII characters carriage return > >> and line feed. Originally they meant, respectively, move the print head > >> to the left margin, and roll the paper up a line. > > > > Erm... no. The carriage return returns the _carriage_ to the > > first position (here: to the right), that's why it is called > > carriage return and not print head return. :-) > > > > On older electrical typewriters, you will see... > Electric typewriters didn't use ASCII. The point being made is that typewriters (manual or electric) operate by moving the carriage (the device that carries the paper) and the carriage return lever returns the carriage but teletypes and other printers operate by moving the print head and the carriage return returns the print head not the carriage. This strongly suggests that the name of the ASCII character derives from typewriters and not from the printers that used it otherwise it would be printhead return. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith