Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 02:13:25 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@FreeBSD.org> To: Martin <nakal@web.de> Cc: Torfinn Ingolfsen <torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Jack Vogel <jfvogel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: em(4) on FreeBSD is sometimes annoying Message-ID: <20080804091325.GA25795@eos.sc1.parodius.com> In-Reply-To: <20080804105335.4cd5df47@zelda.local> References: <20080801142005.473c17ca@zelda.local> <20080801124224.GA17183@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <20080802070015.7f64c862@web.de> <20080802125553.d9c83a55.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <20080802224046.3b547283@web.de> <2a41acea0808021601u13147294r9dc44a737119648@mail.gmail.com> <20080804105335.4cd5df47@zelda.local>
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On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 10:53:35AM +0200, Martin wrote:
> Am Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:01:35 -0700
> schrieb "Jack Vogel" <jfvogel@gmail.com>:
> > > After I typed "/etc/rc.d/netif restart", I waited until I get
> > > "giving up" message. Then I plugged the cable in. After about 30
> > > seconds the link LED was on. I noticed that at this point I
> > > couldn't get an address using DHCP.
> >
> > Well DUH, the agent exited, thats why it said "giving up" :)
> > That ain't complex behavior, its behaving as designed.
>
> I'm describing the circumstances WHEN everything happens. I was trying
> to show you that even the cable is plugged in you cannot get an IP. The
> NIC is in a kind of "dead" state.
>
> > Ya, so the update is slow, the fact that the LED is blinking means you
> > have an autoneg failure, so again, its your switch not the NIC.
>
> I have this problem with every kind of switch.
>
> The switch at home is a 100Mbit switch made by Digitus (5-port).
Can you try repeating the problem under Linux? It may be a bit much to
ask, but I believe there's an Ubuntu Live CD you can download + burn +
boot. You could try repeating the behaviour there. If it's identical,
or at least "still broken", then it's less likely FreeBSD's fault.
> > Let me guess, you have some 100Mb home router and you are trying
> > to plug a gig nic into it and forcing the speed maybe?
>
> This is true except for the "forcing the speed" part. It's set to
> "media: Ethernet autoselect".
Which means it's using auto-neg, which Jack says (based on the
information he has) may be failing upon link loss + reconnect. As
described, auto-negotiation has to be properly implemented on both the
NIC/PHY and on the switch, as well as handled properly in the NIC
driver.
I can tell you that in the case of the Intel 82573E and FreeBSD's em(4)
driver (version 6.x.x), auto-neg is performed properly, including when
link is lost/cable pulled. I've personally tested this on numerous
consumer switches (D-Link, Linksys, and Hawking Technologies), as well
as enterprise switches (specifically ProCurve and Cisco). I can tell
you that I've seen odd speed negotiation failures with Netgear consumer
switches (100mbit being chosen instead of gigE).
In fact, this weekend in my home, I just migrated from a D-Link switch
to an HP ProCurve switch. I powered off one switch, installed the new
one, powered it on, and link came up. Took a couple minutes. But then
I decided to re-organise some of my cabling, which caused another
disconnect. Here's evidence:
em0: <Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection 6.9.5> port 0x4000-0x401f mem 0xe8000000-0xe801ffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci13
em0: Using MSI interrupt
em0: [FILTER]
em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:97:25:40
em0@pci0:13:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x108c15d9 chip=0x108c8086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = '82573E Intel Corporation 82573E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper)'
class = network
subclass = ethernet
icarus# bzgrep "kernel: em0" /var/log/all.log.3.bz2
Jul 31 06:28:23 icarus kernel: em0: link state changed to DOWN
Jul 31 06:30:17 icarus kernel: em0: link state changed to UP
Jul 31 06:32:36 icarus kernel: em0: link state changed to DOWN
Jul 31 06:32:53 icarus kernel: em0: link state changed to UP
And absolutely no problems:
icarus# netstat -in -I em0
Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts Oerrs Coll
em0 1500 <Link#1> 00:30:48:97:25:40 32941661 0 34620277 0 0
em0 1500 192.168.1.0/2 192.168.1.51 32915748 - 35942133 - -
icarus# ifconfig em0
em0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
options=19b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4>
ether 00:30:48:97:25:40
inet 192.168.1.51 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX <full-duplex>)
status: active
What I'm saying is "I don't know what to tell you". I'm not doubting
your claims, but it would be worthwhile to test on Linux to see if it's
a FreeBSD driver issue, something with the NIC/PHY, the way the NIC/PHY
is implemented on the computer, or even the cable (yes really!). I'd
start with the obvious: try replacing the cable, and go with a CAT5e
cable that's pre-made (rather than self-rolled, if you're using such).
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