From owner-freebsd-arch Thu Oct 14 17: 5:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132E214F2B for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:05:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17265 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:05:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA46170 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:05:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F2E14F2B for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whiste.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA45884; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices. In-Reply-To: <447.939897820@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > [I know it was Julian who threw this ball in the air, but I take > the liberty of doing the final round: I have been the primus > motor on this issue from the beginning and it is part of the > dev_t cleanup project.] [see my other response to Terry] > > SUMMARY: [...] > Unless we have significant new information to the contrary, I will > commence the bdev removal after November 1st 1999. This is I think a bit "pushy" for such an important step. How about: "We will ask for a declaration of the right thing to do from Core, specifically, DG as Arbiter, (not as DG) on Novenber 1. So all arguments either way should be completed by that time." All sides involved should agree to let the matter rest after the decision has been reached. > > In order to try to trigger any such information, I will change > the default value of the vfs.bdev_buffered sysctl to zero this > weekend, this will make bdevs react like cdevs. I would suggest instead turning off Matt's sysctl which will make the bdevs completely fail. (hmm oh yeah fsck / would fail.... hmmm) Using your ioctl may act more to simply corrupt data than to make people notice the change. > > An ioctl(2) based mode-switch will only be implemented if a > very good reason for doing so materializes. > > Thanks for participating. > > Poul-Henning > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message