From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 10:12:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15DB92C for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 555A271F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.82.105.247] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 10:12:04 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.48] by tm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 10:12:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp181.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 10:12:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1363687924; bh=Boebo86u8uHwd0yN7K6Ua5b/U7f2Dlhs4+nfKRHynLk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DIO3ilqNdej9UBymBHdAT/TGpZNreH4ZwwJKUTLFioqxS+7liMbH+cjD14z2SQn94khoWWm1XFWShe6/prmcFDc4fiebkEFePwCbj62RrtRMJWTPCOiTCd3vPCEQfbuv8sV9CN3Vh6SU0ldKDBP/npazhJ1zLh+9aNhbaPK/Pu4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 774726.5603.bm@smtp181.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: EPpo714VM1kwBGzjxJcGJcRIg6JnUGWdscuNLWK9eWtZY53 DgCNrpQPqvmoXlPLVdttFfDz62xSnL8.mbUYqIqGXWQLnnQ.P5LKtFN4bNol dYKMH2y0KsExpnlQh29EKQb_UDc6PxPlSfw_2LLrKGDrd8zdqauM4vIaOJ_7 .CXPAE314gCfS_0wTIL1enXmhiGiZM6JVbBGk4yTj9HuTecvn54CF_4nQHSl mVnyqqD8mswPnf_1RjWPAIfxk9JaODo2bEuVjtdaaXurn6FGwOC8gNnTGwFn htX6aDdyExmKrq5d7b5ciHSgDeVe0CTDrIc4G9PfrYgKs0X5h7kuPGMSi1ic opzbaTUZ0CVNcByhbGwDA1VYboS8pwEtjz44w65oh1P8Y.nkfiOXHZ9RDvgI BchJX2LNiZLfc06IttVteilelE3Hg1YY1soT4o1ishu_7vY00qKknyL0Y1dr V24ItCCxNTT05hxq2Du4q8QP4rYnSVLtKhVqViFIzHKXtRF3351enZLP_BUn BnGFASnr2k8SvL6Hk1qexS7PIw2ro.SxqDmRKOqpD8uAMI03azBIkY6z8v8I GGpgEwXSPRaG5UeVjZZcG4WYAG.PX7xaqOewEwtHmuV.B1yrlZgTu9FWYGur 4IDPV198bKpMYT.jUJR0.pn8BbyU6I9Q- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [92.231.5.0] (ralf.mardorf@92.231.5.0 with login) by smtp181.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2013 10:12:04 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <1363687923.586.32.camel@archlinux> Subject: EU Regulation and gvfs From: Ralf Mardorf To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:12:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:12:06 -0000 Hi, there's an issue with gvfs. Regarding to an EU Regulation external drives must spin down after a while, but gvfs make external drives spin up and down again and again so they don't stay asleep. I own a new WD Elements and within one week it aged by years. I marked a thread about this issue as solved, but it isn't, it's just a workaround. For some drives it's possible to disable it, but for drives where you can't open the case it can be impossible to do it. One way to safe lifetime then is to touch the drive in short intervals, to avoid a spin down and the other way is to remove gvfs and to mount block devices, not only USB devices, by a workaround. Other USB gear, but block devices, don't need gvfs, such as WiFi adapters. Since I'm short in time at the moment, I only tested Arch Linux and Ubuntu Linux intensively [1]. I'm cross-posting this information, hopefully you understand why I'm doing this. Regards, Ralf [1] From: Ralf Mardorf To: linux-audio-user Subject: [solved] External USB 2 HD for real-time recording Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:43:57 +0100 On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 18:12 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The issue that the drive will spin up and down again and again can be > avoided. > > I removed > > - thunar-volman > - tumbler > - gvfs > > on Arch Linux. No packages depend on those packages for my Arch Linux. > The drive keeps asleep, even with still one partition mounted. > Later I'll add one package after the other, to find out what does cause > the access and I also will take a look at Ubuntu. Arch Linux: Only gvfs needs to be removed, no need to remove thunar-volman and tumbler. However, thunar-volman without gvfs seems to be useless. Tumbler doesn't cause issues, but I don't know what it's good for. To see thumbnails with Thunar it isn't needed. I keep thunar-volman and tumbler on Arch and only removed gvfs. For my Arch nothing depends on gvfs, so it was the only package I had to remove. Ubuntu Quantal: root@q:~# apt-get purge gvfs The following packages will be REMOVED: brasero* gvfs* gvfs-backends* gvfs-fuse* nautilus* nautilus-sendto* nautilus-share* Who cares about the packages that depend on it? I anyway use Thunar instead of Nautilus and K3b instead of Brasero. Résumé: So who is to blame? By EU Regulation external drives must spin down. I even didn't completely read the German blah blah blah, http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Ab-2010-Maximal-2-Watt-im-Standby-Betrieb-von-Haushaltsgeraeten-PCs-und-Unterhaltungselektronik-Update-193947.html and I won't search for links in English. Xfce doesn't depend on gvfs, neither the Arch, nor the Ubuntu packages. Until now it seems to be, that without gvfs, partitions can't be mounted with a file browser, they have to be mounted by CLI. It's not only an issue for the USB drive, but also for USB sticks. It takes 30 minutes, then the WD Elements spins down and stays asleep. If you don't like this,than blame the EU. If you like it, then blame gvfs. Does VirtualBox still see my iPad 2 connected by USB when gvfs is removed? No problem, even an USB stick and even the external USB hard disk are available by VirtualBox. Is my KORG nanoKONTROL still accessible after removing gvfs? It still does show up in QjackCtl's ALSA tab.