From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 6 08:12:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08230 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08193 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dolphin.inna.net (jamie@dolphin.inna.net [206.151.66.2]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA25108; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:26:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:14:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Michael Smith cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Karl fulminates, film at 11. == thanks In-Reply-To: <199702060707.RAA01787@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > On the whole, I feel there's been far too much drawing of conclusions > and not enough listening and understanding, for a variety of reasons, > none simple or open to pop rationalisation. Terry has probably > codified it best, but all he's managed to do is ask the questions, not > propose any answers. Terry may be long winded at some times, but at least he knows what questions to ask. I personally missed most of this whole episode, not being on -current. I don't know about the rest of you, but I really think that any organisational body needs a head of some sort. As much as we laugh at dilbert, management is necessary, and good management is hard to find. I think Jordan did a hell of a job in his time as 'President.' I personally am sorry to see that FreeBSD no longer has any official leader as such. FreeBSD does not need the Linus godhead that Linux has, but it does need a leader to keep it focused. I worked for Anheuser-Busch for 5 years in my late teens/early twenties, 4 of them in a supervisory position. The one thing I learned in all those meetings and training classes is that management is a necessary evil. Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd.