From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 26 02:14:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC10A68 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:14:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu [18.9.25.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBE811B2 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:14:14 +0000 (UTC) X-AuditID: 1209190f-b7fa58e000000953-2e-51ca4e70e704 Received: from mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.39]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 43.15.02387.07E4AC15; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id r5Q2E6Aq002647; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:14:07 -0400 Received: from multics.mit.edu (system-low-sipb.mit.edu [18.187.2.37]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id r5Q2E4Fd020703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:14:06 -0400 Received: (from kaduk@localhost) by multics.mit.edu (8.12.9.20060308) id r5Q2E4VT020250; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:14:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Handbook obsolescence scan: "The vinum Volume Manager" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (GSO 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrOIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nrlvgdyrQ4OMNGYupH3eyWvw65eHA 5DHj03wWjyMdjxgDmKK4bFJSczLLUov07RK4Mn5dTii4yVUxu3MVYwPjWY4uRk4OCQETiSOL FjNB2GISF+6tZ+ti5OIQEtjHKDG/ASQB4mxklLj1fi47hHOISeL9kf1QmQZGie3XehlB+lkE tCU6dq1mBrHZBFQkZr7ZCDSLg0NEQFVi7xlrkDCzgLDE6Ut3wcqFBZwlLm16zA5icwrYSTy+ 8pEVxOYVcJQ413EObIyQgK3E6VUtYHFRAR2J1funsEDUCEqcnPmEBWKmpcS/tb9YJzAKzkKS moUktYCRaRWjbEpulW5uYmZOcWqybnFyYl5eapGuiV5uZoleakrpJkZQmHJK8u9g/HZQ6RCj AAejEg+vwtaTgUKsiWXFlbmHGCU5mJREebd6nAoU4kvKT6nMSCzOiC8qzUktPsQowcGsJMKb fwOonDclsbIqtSgfJiXNwaIkzit2a2egkEB6YklqdmpqQWoRTFaGg0NJgtfEF2ioYFFqempF WmZOCUKaiYMTZDgP0PD/PkA1vMUFibnFmekQ+VOMuhyTz255zyjEkpeflyolzisIMkgApCij NA9uDiy9vGIUB3pLmPc4yCgeYGqCm/QKaAkT0JLJqcdBlpQkIqSkGhj9103eFNDzS/nlq8fP L6o4RHamrPbO+pC+dc8O65pH19SWn7eL/9gidCGht+p8fLu0hWhF87rjKa8kw5ta+eU+KmsZ CspxTgtLt+C/I81cNjXsteGMnxsnTD367Mocob05r85HJ/edn/XE4Ep3/G+J89Lvz4UzChz0 LLEqqMvQyTSR+m9TZanEUpyRaKjFXFScCAAfu7ByCgMAAA== Cc: doc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:14:15 -0000 On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Warren Block wrote: > Next on the list of potentially outdated things in the Handbook: "The vinum > Volume Manager", a whole chapter on vinum. Actually, it is really now about > gvinum. > > Are there any situations where new users should be advised to use gvinum > rather than ZFS or gconcat/gstripe/gmirror? > > What reasons are there for this chapter to remain in the Handbook given the > newer, simpler alternatives? > > If the information should remain, why should it be separate from the GEOM > chapter? Hmm, I seem to recall there being desire to keep the documentation around the last time this question came up, but don't remember why. Let's go rooting around in the archives... It seems that as of 2009, gvinum was still useful enough that I was happy to have documentation fixes for it (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2009-May/015913.html), though just two weeks later this thread (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2009-May/028730.html) sees to indicate that it was dying already. The documentation is always behind on the times... I thought there was an attempt to remove gvinum or the documentation thereof since then, but cannot find any record of it. That means we don't get to re-analyze the arguments presented then, and can just do it. -Ben