From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 9 15:04:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964DC16A402 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F50843D6E for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:04:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m3so465754ugc for ; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:04:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dvSqD88oliZnpPQyJMy/RtY9YtsZfmvZ+TCDNkVL+a14KVrfq0rULV8xMujJ6cBZ/YIIx+M4qYq56G2XlnpFW7XuLQTvZqPvRpuT25LVuYI+SS8aKZLuAGKksDDVAHJXYrrb50rBEsHGljMBdUa1grtPN7LzsbwpOecl3EiTWO8= Received: by 10.78.39.16 with SMTP id m16mr30031hum; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.31.9 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:56:59 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060409044505.N1096@ganymede.hub.org> Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , thierry@freebsd.org, fbsdq Subject: Re: BEWARE upgrading Horde System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:04:11 -0000 On 4/9/06, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > [snipped] > > I have never understood the demand for being able to do an inplace > upgrade of applications or of the operating system, and I've seen > enormous trouble with servers that people do this with, under Windows > as well as FreeBSD. > > Furthermore, by the time the software on the server is old, the hardware > is ready to be retired in favor of shiny new hardware that is a lot > faster. This is also very true of Windows servers too. > > This gets back to what I was saying with professional-vs-amateur > approach. A professional approach to a server is to plan for it > to live a certain life then you scrap it, or at the least nuke and > repave it for something less demanding. The car-rental companies > have been doing this with cars for years, and all the used car buyers > can never understand why a car rental companies sell perfectly > good cars with a lot of years of life left in them. > > The amateur approach is to build the server then wring every last > day of life out of it. Patch and patch it over and over and over > and upgrade it over and over and over, until it just won't work anymore. > Hell, people were complaining that FreeBSD 6.0 wouldn't run on a > 80386!!!! That's a total amateur approach. > I think your mixing up the professional approach with the I'm not paying the bills approach, that "shiny new hardware that is a lot faster" comes with a price tag attached to it and the price attached to that tag in relation to other factors determines the route to be taken. You do have, at the very least, a basic fiduciary responsibility to your employer, and in the context of business it's money.