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To: Cameron Berkenpas Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dc5y000Psz4h8L X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hB1zgBNw; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of alfredodalava@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=alfredodalava@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a:from:127.0.2.255]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:19:22 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:18:16 -0000 Remember upgrading a powerpc64 from 12.x to 13.x requires a full reinstall due to ABI change during switch from gcc to llvm that makes it binary-incompatible with older releases (13.0 uses modern OpenPower ELF V2 ABI). 13 is definitively better with a modern compiler and many improvements on kernel, memory management, more drivers ported, including virtio that you can use with KVM or QEMU to improve network and disk throughput. []'s Alfredo On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:24 PM Cameron Berkenpas via freebsd-ppc wrote: > > I have 2 server's (kvm instances) running on POWER9 that I will upgrade > to 13.0-RELEASE as soon as it's released. I know you asked about 12, but > maybe this data point is still useful. > > I have 2 FreeBSD 13 VM's across 2 physical POWER9 hosts (so 1 VM per > host) that I've been using to follow the development of 13. Other than > the occasional hiccup, 13 seems quite a bit a bit better than 12.2 on > POWER especially after the switch from gcc to llvm settled down. > > On 2/10/21 2:39 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > > So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc* > > users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. > > > > The problem is that we have limitations on: > > > > - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches > > > > - human resources trying to support 3 branches > > > > The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about > > dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build > > 14-CURRENT. > > > > How many people will this affect if we do so? > > > > fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: > > > > - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol > > > > and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. > > > > (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really > > support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") > > > > How many people will these changes effect? It's time to speak up ... > > > > mcl > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"