From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 14 02:20:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0CF16A4CE; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2416143D2F; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:20:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (f75e747fcd706d3ac5b2842cc1eeee39@adsl-67-119-53-203.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.203])i2EAKr8A007691; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 04:20:54 -0600 (CST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6826A51844; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:20:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:20:52 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Ruslan Ermilov Message-ID: <20040314102052.GA5663@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040314022615.GA21795@cat.robbins.dropbear.id.au> <20040314052944.GA75355@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> <20040314075329.GA3927@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20040314082307.GA80283@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> <20040314093143.GA4906@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040314101311.GB63843@ip.net.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040314101311.GB63843@ip.net.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Marcel Moolenaar cc: current@freebsd.org cc: Tim Robbins cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: RFC: doscmd removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:20:57 -0000 --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 12:13:11PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 01:31:43AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 10:23:07AM +0200, John Hay wrote: > > > > > > I plan to remove doscmd from the base system for the sole reaso= n that it > > > > > > is no longer useful. Any objections? > > > > >=20 > > > > > Why would you want to remove it? It is still very usefull. I use = it > > > > > regularly. The only drawback currently is that the Makefile is set > > > > > up in such a way that it does not pick up X during a "make world", > > > > > so after a "make world" you have to build it again to pick up X. > > > > > Built without X it is less usefull. > > > >=20 > > > > This is exactly the reason why the source tree is not the right > > > > place for doscmd. > > >=20 > > > That might be and is the reason I asked for the reasoning behind it. = One > > > reason why keeping it in the tree is good, is because it help pick API > > > changes that break it. Out in ports it might take a while to pick that > > > up and then it will be the poor user's problem. :-/ Doscmd use parts = of > > > the kernel that isn't used by many other programs. > >=20 > > Port compile problems are typically picked up on bento within a week, > > and often within 24 hours. > >=20 > No, the question was rather: how often the kernel gets updated on bento? I build a new bindist for most builds, so the above still applies. I don't update the build machine kernels as often as that, but that's not relevant for this discussion since doscmd isn't run with a new kernel as part of 'make world', so runtime breakage of doscmd isn't detected anyway. Kris --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAVDIEWry0BWjoQKURAsm+AJ4mKa2qmyn9tWaxdZU0bsVVwU3LAQCggM5T NWvJDrZF0Sd6Yk8+wtmlPFA= =PF0R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C--