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HAS_X_ANTIABUSE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 3 November 2022 3:04:13 am AEDT, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 02/11/2022 14:29, void wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 02, 2022 at 06:52:31AM +0000, Graham Perrin wrote: > > > >> E-mail too often fails=2E > >> > >> You can't fix this=20 > >> > , >=20 > >> for example=2E >=20 > =E2=80=A6 >=20 > > =E2=80=A6 The actual threading of an email conversation was (or at le= ast I=20 > > thought it was) > > an email client competency, exclusively=2E =E2=80=A6 >=20 > I mean, whatever the cause of the mess, the end result (a mess of=20 > apparently disconnected threads) can not be fixed: >=20 > With reference to: https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/archives/freebsd-questions/2022-June/index= =2Ehtml my OP message to the list "Broken User Experience - online mailing list" https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/archives/freebsd-questions/2022-June/001397= =2Ehtml about this very issue, the subsequent equally messy set of detached groups= of responses, and including notably from Baptiste Daroussin (bapt@) who th= em indicated desire to help fix the problem=2E The threading issues appear entirely related to the new list software, whi= ch apart from broken ability to traverse the lists properly by browser, may= also be messing with the thread linkages in distributed raw emails? Again, looking at the previous pipermail archives and browsing threads the= re shows how it used to be properly done for many years=2E Of course people - as well as the list software - were more disciplined in= keeping messages free of html attachments, wrapping lines at lengths suita= ble for text email clients etc=2E The messier it gets, the messier people = seem to want to make it :( Whether "it can not be fixed" is out of our hands, I don't know=2E I do k= now that it (thread linking and traversal) was ok for the first few months = on the new list software, but that when it changed to how it is now, that c= hange applied retrospectively to previous months =2E=2E=2E which seems to i= ndicate that if fixed, that may also retrospectively repair the damage?=20 cheers anyway, Ian